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frich
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Initially Posted - 07/03/2002 : 07:28:41

Had my first sail this past weekend with the genny up, did 7 knots and heard the catalina "hum". It was great! question i have has anyone installed a clear window in this sail to aid in visibility?

If doing this will it hinder the operation of the CDI furler or the sail performance?

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Frich
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/03/2002 : 08:31:57

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Had my first sail this past weekend with the genny up, did 7 knots and heard the catalina "hum". It was great! question i have has anyone installed a clear window in this sail to aid in visibility?

If doing this will it hinder the operation of the CDI furler or the sail performance?

Thanks

Frich
84 C25 SK
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I am not sure about a window on a Furled sail, but I do know that the 150% on The Flying Wasp blocks things from view. We had a pretty good top notch sailor come on board and she recommended one for our sail.

I am going to look into it. Our 135 has a window and I do have to say it is nice. You can't really tell what you are going to hit, but you do know something is in your way!!!

dw

Duane Wolff
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Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Gary
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Response Posted - 07/03/2002 : 11:30:33

Frank, I don't know about sail windows & furlers, but the clew on my new 135 cruising genoa is high enough to be able to see under the sail in most conditions. Visibility is much better than my old 150. It's nice to be able to see where you're going!

BTW, thanks for the copy of the CDI manual. Sure wish I had this when I first got my boat! Gary

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frich
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Response Posted - 07/03/2002 : 12:24:11

My pleasure Gary

Frank, I don't know about sail windows & furlers, but the clew on my new 135 cruising genoa is high enough to be able to see under the sail in most conditions. Visibility is much better than my old 150. It's nice to be able to see where you're going!

BTW, thanks for the copy of the CDI manual. Sure wish I had this when I first got my boat! Gary

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 07/03/2002 : 13:27:49

When using a smaller jib and not racing you can put a cable pendant on the Tack. This will allow the sail to be hoisted 12" to 18" higher. Sailing here in the Pacific Northwest you almost always need a bow lookout. We have many deadheads (Floating logs) in the water. Even more so after a storm. Nothing like a pole floating vertical with only 6" of the top visable to ruin your day. A window would be great. Have you looked into the cost of having one done ? It will be interesting to see what you find out.

Doug&Ruth
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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 07/03/2002 : 15:32:12

In my old Hobie racing days the very first thing that I did to new sails was get windows installed, jib and main. Those port/starboard crossings on a busy race course can be killers. Any local sail loft worth their salt should be able to add windows. Seems to me it will cost about $60. Good insurance!!! My current 150 is a real deck sweeper, in fact last weekend the foot of the sail was skimming the water at 20 degrees tilt. Visibility isn't as critical out on the open lake but in the marina area and the appoaches I could really use a window.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 07/03/2002 : 19:13:22

The 150 genoa that came with my last boat had a rather small window (8" x 12") about two feet from the luff and a couple of feet up from the foot. I think this window was used to see the telltales on each side of it, because it was just about useless for seeing anything up ahead, plus the vinyl window was kind of foggy.

How big of a sail window would one need to be practical(1' x 2'?)? If it were installed towards the luff and you are over twenty feet away in the cockpit, size and placement would seem to be critical(Too low and all you see is water, too high and you get sky).

Anyway, when cruising, I just turn a few degrees to the leeward side and then back to the original course just to make a quick scan of things up ahead, especially if I hear the roar of a powerboat or if it's close to dusk and the fishing boats start coming out.

Don Lucier, North Star
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/03/2002 : 20:42:30

I quote from our Class Rules:-

(3) Windows may not have an area greater than 3 square feet
(including telltale windows), in any one sail, nor may be closer than 6 inches to any edge.

Of course, if you are not racing Class, or if you are racing PHRF you can make 'em as big as you like! Any good sailmaker can do the job - and position them correctly (I think mine in the genoa cost $30)
Derek on "This Side Up"

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