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jerryconway
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Initially Posted - 03/24/2007 :  20:15:10  Show Profile  Visit jerryconway's Homepage
Hi all, I went to check on boat today and there was about 8" of water in the cabin. I purchased this boat last summer, and it has always leaked an inch or so under the dinette seat area over a weeks time. There was never a bilge installed in boat. Where would be the best place to install one? Also where is the most common place the water is coming from? Its a swing keel. Thanks

Jerry
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djn
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  06:20:14  Show Profile
Hi Jerry, the most common place is the portlights. You can buy a portlight rebuild kit from Catalina Direct in our Links section. It takes about 1/2 to 1 hour per portlight and is a great Saturday job. It could be the keel trunk, but I'd look at the portlights first. Cheers.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  07:05:01  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
I'd be that it is either the windows or the screws holding in the rubrail.

You really want to stop the leak first. The bilge pump, in your case would need to be in the lower of the two port setees. However if you are on land the location of that pump will be more beneficial in a different location once you are in in the water.
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  11:12:14  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
8 inches of water in the boat in a weeks time from leaking windows? I don't think so. Pump it out and check the swing keel trunk and swing keel cable carefully. You are on the verge of sinking.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  11:26:02  Show Profile
I agree with Jim! ...unless you live in the Amazon rainforest. One classic cause, besides the keel cable hose, is hull damage at the front of the keel trunk due to a sudden dropping of that 1500# hunk of iron. A recent thread included photos of just such damage. Do a search on "swing keel cracks" or something like that. It might be best checked by lifting the boat out, filling the bilge with water (if it isn't full already), and watching for water coming out of the bottom.
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djn
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  11:49:19  Show Profile
Hi Jerry, you didn't mention how long it had been since you last checked it. If it was one week, I agree with Jim, but if it has been a while and raining a lot, I'd look at the portlights first. Cheers.
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jerryconway
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  13:20:20  Show Profile  Visit jerryconway's Homepage
Yes, its probably been 45 days since I sailed it last. I asked at the sailing club and they didnt remember any major rain, I was planning on doing a window repair and see what happens after that.
Jerry
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djn
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  14:22:24  Show Profile
You can also draw a line on the inside of the boat haul with chalk and if it is leaking then the chalk will be washed away where ever the water travles. You could also pull the boat and see if the water leaks back out the bottom. Cheers and let us know what happens.
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dblitz
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  14:34:38  Show Profile
For that much water, I would check the big things first. Swing keel and thru-hulls. I once had someone insisting that all the water in my Oday was perfusing through the hull due to osmotic action and that I should do a barrier coat. Thankfully, I saved myself that trouble after I found that all the water was coming in via a thru hull.
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Dave Bristle
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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 03/25/2007 :  23:20:29  Show Profile
Toooo much water. Check all of the above which does include the thru hull fittings; cable and hose with clamps, drains to include fittings and old hose and clamps. At around 8 lbs a gallon would the lift be extra heavy and on the trailer you would be over the limit. Use the suggestions from your Forun.
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jerryconway
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Response Posted - 03/26/2007 :  17:50:33  Show Profile  Visit jerryconway's Homepage
My boat is in the water at a sailing club. No lift available, I would have to sail the boat about 4 miles to get to a lift. I dont have a trailer to pull it out of the water. I'm going back tomorrow to check and see if it is just previous rain water or to see if she's about ready to sink again.

Jerry
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tinob
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Response Posted - 03/29/2007 :  11:41:03  Show Profile
Jerry,

A lot of sound advice above. When my swing one day presented me with 8" of water in the cabin it was as Dave suggested, "a sudden unintentional deployment of the keel". Happens more often than we like to admit. In my case the the insurance Company allowed it to be re glassed (cost $ 2600) as opposed to my recommendation to refit the swing keel with the factory's wing keel. The second time it occured I bit the bullet and and had the wing installed. Screw the Insurence Company. No more problems.
I had to go that way I was sailing daily with a five year old and one in diapers.
It's been dry the last 10 years.

I wish you well.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT # 3936, Patchogue, N.Y.
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