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dblitz
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Initially Posted - 05/06/2007 : 10:25:18

My boat doesn't have a cleat amidships. The question is have most of you installed one there or have you installed a cleat (or some other hardware) on the genoa track so as not to put more holes in the boat?

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 11:06:19

I have snapshackles on the end of the spring lines and attach them to the stanchion bases. It's not exactly a bristol setup, but for one reason or another, the vendors are very 'proud' ($$$) of cleats that mount on T-track. Haven't been able to talk myself to spending money on them.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 11:34:41

I bought cleats to install midships but never have so as to keep the weather decks clear for moving forward and back to the cockpit. Instead I have two 25 foot dock lines which I attach the cleats on the opposite side of the boat from the dock. It works well depending on the cleat setup on the dock. After five yearsI'm still considering installing the cleats I originally bought to do the job.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 11:48:01

I found some (relatively) economical genoa track cleats (not Shaefer) at WM a few years back...

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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 12:02:29

Many of us use the primary winches, which make it easy to adjust the springs. There are winch covers that are designed for a line on the winch. You can also run a bowline loop through the genoa block.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 12:11:25

Not exactly midship but I put a dockline around both cockpit winches.
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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 14:19:30

I have a track slide with a loop on the midship genoa track and the spring line itself has a caribiner for quick on and off. I didn't want a regular cleat on the car because of the possibility of snagging the genoa sheet.

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Response Posted - 05/06/2007 : 16:57:27

I'm with Brooke and Craig. We use the primary winches.

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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 : 14:56:37

I use the base of the cap shroud for the mid-ship spring line (round turn and 2 half hitches) and the horn cleat on the coaming for the aft spring line.

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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 : 15:07:35

Maybe it's not the correct position for a spring line, but I always run a line from the end of the slip to the bow cleat on at least one side of the boat.

Normally a springer is used to spring out the bow (or stern) when leaving alongside a dock, it's not really acting as a springer when in a slip.

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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 : 15:11:31

A spring line is used to keep the boat from moving for and/or aft... Springing the bow out? Not sure what you mean.

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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 : 18:47:32

I sometimes have to dock singlehanded and find that a midships spring line that I hold as I come in I can just slip over the rearmost cleat on the dock. This makes for much easier docking (if the looped end of the spring line goes over the cleat the way it's supposed to).

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Response Posted - 05/07/2007 : 19:34:01

Here's a pic to show the concept of using a 'spring' line.

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Response Posted - 05/08/2007 : 13:41:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 A spring line is used to keep the boat from moving for and/or aft... Springing the bow out? Not sure what you mean.
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Response Posted - 05/08/2007 : 14:54:21

Thank you guys for great visuals. As a keel boat instructor I look for all sorts of help to explain different techniques. One thing...Note where the Spring Line is attached to the boat! Springing a boat off a dock with lines attached in the middle of the boat is more difficult!

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Response Posted - 05/08/2007 : 19:23:52

never used it that way nor have i seen it used. Thanks for the visuals

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Response Posted - 05/08/2007 : 20:02:33

Beautiful show Don & Paul, thanks.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 05/09/2007 : 09:15:35

We used this technique for springing off on a 112' vessel I worked on (long ago). As Simon noted, the lines were attached from the bow and stern of the boat. I usually don't see this technique needed to get a smaller boat away from the dock.

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Response Posted - 05/09/2007 : 09:28:18

This looks like it could really be helpful to me. Thanks.

I'm not clear about one thing. When releasing the line as you pull away, do you simply toss it to the dock or is it attached to the dock cleat in such a way that it is easily released for retrieval to the boat?

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Response Posted - 05/09/2007 : 12:50:39

John, when you don't have the luxury of a docking team to take care of the springer, just loop it around the shore cleat/post/etc. and back to the boat, then you can spring the boat out and as you start to move away, just release one end and pull the other onboard.

As clambeach mentioned, this method is mostly used by larger vessels, but works on ours well. We used this method often when leaving port on a Destroyer!

Paul

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