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jerlim
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Initially Posted - 05/10/2007 : 10:58:56

I'm using new Sta-Set X for my halyards, and have never worked with it before. When I put a bowline into it for the headboard shackle, the knot didn't really seem to set tightly. I whipped the bitter end in place against the loop, to keep it from backing out, but am not too comfortable with that arrangement.
Any thoughts?
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Jerry

Edited by - jerlim on 05/10/2007 10:59:26

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 11:24:41

Jerry, you might want to just flex the end of the line around a bit to loosen it up. I use Sta-Set X on all of my lines and am very happy with it. It is light and strong but does need to get broken in just a bit.

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 12:09:15

Put an eye splice in it.

[url="http://www.neropes.com/SPL_ParallelCore_EyeSplice.aspx"]Splicing parallel core line[/url]

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 12:45:32

John,
Many thanks for that suggestion and instructions. I've spliced eyes into my dock lines, but I never considered splicing eyes into the Halyards. Makes me glad I added an extra few feet to the length when ordering!
I'm guessing you've done this - the instructions seem pretty straight forward. Any experiences to share?

Edited by - jerlim on 05/10/2007 12:48:13

ct95949
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 15:43:14

I use this knot quite a bit because it's quick, holds tight and is easy to untie. I have 1/4" Sta-Set X with this knot on my halyard shackles and the ends whipped like yours.

Edited by - ct95949 on 05/10/2007 15:44:23

jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 15:53:34

Interessting - it looks like a clove around the standing part, thanks for the knot. I've always enjoyed rigging and knots, this is a new one on me. As I've got the footage to spare, I think I'm going to try the eye splice and go with the buntline if the eye doesn't work out.

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 16:41:59

Make sure you have the right fids in the right size for your line diameter. On step 6 just barely overlap the tape while wrapping, wrap it tight, and step 7 make sure you have a really good anchor point. You're going to need to work it with some force. I used a closet door knob, it wasn't up to the task.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 17:01:15

I also use the buntline on my halyards.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 18:12:52

I don't know whether I'm old-fashioned, or modernistic, but I use a headboard shackle eye-spliced into the halyard - neat, clean, and gets the mainsail an inch or two higher.

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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 19:16:35

I use a knot because I lack the skills or patience to splice

. Doesn't a knot weaken a line?
And if I hoist my main all the way up the battens hang up on the backstay but that's another story.

Edited by - ct95949 on 05/10/2007 19:17:44

jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 19:59:48

True enough, a knot does weaken the line by a percentage - another reason to use over rated line. I'm going to give eye splicing a try first...and then likely end up w/ the buntline

Edited by - jerlim on 05/10/2007 20:01:56

Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 20:26:18

The other option is the racing option. Skip the shackle and wrap the line through the headboard 2x. then tie a triple loop(don't know the real knot name) stopper knot (not a figure 8) in the end so it won't pull back through. No shackle required and no complex knots.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/10/2007 : 22:13:19

Is this the knot you mean Duane?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley's_stopper_knot

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 05/11/2007 : 00:02:00

I eye splice my halyards to shackles. When you do your first few double braid or cored braid eye splices, go slow, study the directions carefully, and follow them precisely. As you proceed, it won't always be obvious what you're doing. When you finally get to the last couple of steps (right around where it says to "bury the crosover"), the finished splice will magically appear out of something you were suspecting you might have to cut off and toss. You'll be strutting up and down the dock like a peacock.

-- Leon S.

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Response Posted - 05/11/2007 : 07:35:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Leon Sisson
 ...the finished splice will magically appear out of something you were suspecting you might have to cut off and toss. You'll be strutting up and down the dock like a peacock.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/11/2007 : 07:41:17

I'm gonna give the peacock thing a try (and hope I don't strut off the dock into the water...)

Edited by - jerlim on 05/11/2007 07:42:19

Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/11/2007 : 07:51:28

John - yes, though I'd go three wraps not two.

Jerry - Start with a nice new but cheap piece of line and a cheap spring action type shackle. Then Repeat. If it works out you can use it on a fender or something similar. Leon is correct about reading the instructions. There will be a set with your fids (you'll need to buy these), and a set of instructions available at Sampson Rope and I believe one at New England Rope and also possibly a set at layline. Read all of them. Measure acurately as well.

For your taper (you'll know when you get to it) Don't be so concerned about exactness and beauty on your first few tries, that will come with practice. If you know someone who will show you it will go faster because they know all the tricks.

dw

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/11/2007 : 08:17:56

Duane - Excellent advice to practise a few times first. I of course was going to blunder in w/ the main halyard first thing!!!
Many thanks to everyone for your insights and guidance.
Jerry

Edited by - jerlim on 05/11/2007 08:23:33

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Response Posted - 05/11/2007 : 11:25:39

Vote #2 for "Skip the shackle"

Racing option #2:
Run the halyard thru the headboard, tie a double-8 stopknot. Put the stopknot end around the halyard entering the headboard and back thru (so the bight pulls down before the stopknot) and pull it snug. Never had an issue where I needed more than 1x pass thru the sail, and this give the maximum hoist on the halyard. Easy to tie, easy to untie.

The double-8 is just a normal 8-knot with an extra wrap before the final pass thru the bight. Not the "Bunny Ears" knot. It's like a cross between a figure-8 and a double overhand, but I wasnt able to find a better description (or animation) on the 'net.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/11/2007 : 13:23:49

The buntline is certainly a tighter know and closer to the headboard, than a bowline/shackle. I am a little concerned as the edges of the hole through the headboard are a little sharp. Wonder if I should take the edge off of it, or maybe go with a thimble?

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