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Cate
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Initially Posted - 05/16/2007 : 06:12:26

We're almost ready for the first sail of 07' and tuning up the rigging. One of problems we had last year was our 140% genoa made it impossible to see ahead on certain tacks. The PO installed a furler and it doesn't reach the top of the mast. There is about 2.5 feet of forestay on top of the furler. I talked to our local sailmaker and he has a 30' 6" furler he is willing to sell and install for dirt cheap. It is my understanding the length of the forestay is 29' 10" so the 30' furler would need to be cut. Correct?
By raising our genoa 2 more feet we should get the clearance we need to see.
Does this sound like a good plan?

1983 C-25, Standard rig, swing keel

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 05/16/2007 : 09:41:12

Cate,
My first thought is are you sure you have a standard rig and not a tall rig? That might explain why your 2.5 feet short. Also it was not clear to me as I read your post if the furler is short or the furling sail. Knowing what brand furler you have would be important as well.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2007 : 10:08:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sloop Smitten
 Also it was not clear to me as I read your post if the furler is short or the furling sail.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I was wondering about that also, but it was mentioned that there is 2.5' of forestay showing at the top of the furler which I assume is above the furler's luff foil.

As to the type of furler, I'm assuming it is one that has its own halyard since a furler using the regular halyard would probably experience severe halyard wrap with a foil 2.5' shorter than normal. Also, a Harken foil wouldn't furl properly if it were that short.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2007 : 11:30:42

Are you saying that the 140 sail fit the short furler and it's luff is also 2 1/2 feet shorter than the fore stay? The luff on my 150 runs deck to masthead and I have the same problem with visibility.
When I installed my Harken furler I noted in the manual a pin to pin headstay length of 30'-2" so I think the furler you want to buy would work with a little trimming.
When I built my furler I consulted with my sailmaker about the cut of the new 110 rf sail which resulted in a luff length that matched the swivel shackles at max. hoist. If I wanted to hoist my storm jib (75%?) with a shorter luff I would need to rig a pennant between the head and the upper swivel. Both Harken and my sail maker discouraged me from raising any sail with a lower pennant or raising the drum off the deck since doing so would cause undo healing. The new furler sounds like a good deal then decide how high to hoist your sail on it.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2007 : 12:00:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sloop Smitten
 Cate,
My first thought is are you sure you have a standard rig and not a tall rig? That might explain why your 2.5 feet short. Also it was not clear to me as I read your post if the furler is short or the furling sail. Knowing what brand furler you have would be important as well.
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I am sure I have a standard rig. The current furler is a CDI. The furler is short.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2007 : 12:14:43

If its a CDI furler and you are happy with it (aside from the short luff), you might just want to contact CDI and get a replacement foil that you can cut to the correct length.

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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 06:59:35

Cate,

I have heard some very serious criticisms regarding roller furling on headsails. They say your performance upwind will suffer. Most of these people swear by their hanked on headsails.

I sure hope this helps.

BTW, I know someone who would be willing to trade his 110 and 155 hank on headsails for your furler and sail. He says all he would want is for you to cover the shipping each way

This sounds like a deal not to be passed up.

Simon
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 07:42:48

I think I smell something fishy going on here...

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Cate
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 12:51:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by StSimon
 Cate,

I have heard some very serious criticisms regarding roller furling on headsails. They say your performance upwind will suffer. Most of these people swear by their hanked on headsails.

I sure hope this helps.

BTW, I know someone who would be willing to trade his 110 and 155 hank on headsails for your furler and sail. He says all he would want is for you to cover the shipping each way

This sounds like a deal not to be passed up.
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Hmm. Fishy indeed. If we don't need any of the parts from my current CDI I'll certainly have it available. Also checked into getting a longer luff for the CDI I now have and from what I can tell it's more than the cost my sailing loft quoted me for installing their longer furler.

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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 13:36:57

What kind of furler is your loft offering?

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 21:29:13

I posted a furler question over in Admiralty that I think some of you furler folks might be able to help me with....

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Response Posted - 05/19/2007 : 07:23:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 What kind of furler is your loft offering?
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It looks like another CDI, but it's missing the drum cover. Internal halyard.

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