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mroettersr
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Initially Posted - 07/16/2002 :  01:34:20  Show Profile
My wire/rope main halyard needs to be replaced. I don't like the wire with the rope tied and am thinking of replacing the halyard with a wire braided to rope type or going to all rope. The current halyard has some pretty serious kinks in the wire and the knot where the wire and rope join gets hung up in the rigging when the main sail is dowsed. I assume wire has the advantage of low stretch but all rope is simpler. Would braided wire to rope be the way to go?

Mike Roetter
'83 C25 #3568 SK/SR
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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 07/16/2002 :  02:18:58  Show Profile
Just converted a month or two ago to all rope, with new sheaves that were made in NY and sent here. FRICH was the source for those. Don't have the name of the "factory" now....see archives of a couple of months ago...I really like the new rope halyards and have seen little or no stretch. New materials in ropes like StaSet really have little stretch....Do it..Quite a thread on this subject; I'm just too much of a techno-toddler to find it for you! Sorry

Gary on Encore! #685 SK/SR
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 07/16/2002 :  13:31:25  Show Profile  Visit Douglas's Homepage
I converted several years ago to all rope. There are several advantages here. You can make the halyards long enough to use them for picking things up like the dinghy. They will go all the way to the water if you need them to. You can swap them end for end each year to even out the wear and they are easy to replace with out taking the mast down. The rope sheeves are about 12$ from Catalina direct.

Doug&Ruth
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tapinkham
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Response Posted - 07/16/2002 :  16:37:10  Show Profile
I just changed over to all rope as well. I would do as Gary
said and try to find Franks source. The ones you get through
CD aren't large enough. (diameter)
Like Gary I lack the experience to find the old post. I did try
though.

Good Luck!

-Tim
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Phredde
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Response Posted - 07/16/2002 :  21:19:21  Show Profile
4th vote for all rope. I made the change, ran external, and am quite pleased. Less bleeding now, those wires were a pain - literally. Less noise and marks on my mast too. Stretch does not seem to be a problem. The CD kit was fine. One glitch was that they sent the wrong masthead divider plate (C22) but they were very nice about working through the problem and paid for postage, etc.

Go for it!


Phredde
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mroettersr
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 :  00:34:26  Show Profile
Thanks for the reply. I remember reading the thread on the replacement sheeves but was curious about advantages or disadvantages of all rope vs wire and rope. I'll probably change over to all rope come next spring.

Mike
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frich
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Response Posted - 07/17/2002 :  07:27:57  Show Profile  Visit frich's Homepage
Mike

go all rope I and I think everyone else ordered the replacement sheaves from Bellpat Marine on Long Island NY 631 286-8368, speak with Ed or his sister. They have the molds now for these sheaves and the lead time should not be as bad as before.

I have Ed presently making a set of replacement sheaves for my genoa cars. If you decide to stick with wire you can have my old wire halyards, drop me an e-mail.

Good Luck
Frank Rich
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mroettersr
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Response Posted - 07/29/2002 :  00:44:53  Show Profile
With the Bellpat sheaves, what size rope halyard are you using?

Mike
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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 07/29/2002 :  01:29:36  Show Profile
I ordered 5/16" through Sailnet. They work great with the Belpat sheaves, and the price beat West Marine all to pieces...

Gary on Encore! SK/SR #685



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Response Posted - 07/29/2002 :  07:16:05  Show Profile  Visit frich's Homepage
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With the Bellpat sheaves, what size rope halyard are you using?

Mike


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Response Posted - 07/29/2002 :  07:18:02  Show Profile  Visit frich's Homepage

I used 5/16" dia. Sta Set line w/ the Bellpat sheaves

With the Bellpat sheaves, what size rope halyard are you using?

Mike


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Response Posted - 07/30/2002 :  00:56:31  Show Profile  Visit luckystar's Homepage
I switched mine when I bought the boat 4 years ago and we just strung it up with 5/16" regatta braid without replacing the sheaves. I've had NO problems. I was told by someone along the way that the sheaves that were up there were either/or. It seems to be true as I've had no probs raising sail, ever. Just strung up new ones without taking the mast down two months ago, still running strong! I have an '82 SR/SK

Patrick Burnett, Little Rock, AR
S/V Lucky Star #2707 1982 SK/SR
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