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dnorth
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Initially Posted - 06/16/2007 : 22:11:57

So, I went out to the boat today and while I was preparing to sail, someone came by and told me that he had seen another boat hit the back of my boat pretty hard a few days ago. I check it out and didn't see any damage.

When I started to back out of the slip I noticed the tiller was spliting. I don't know for sure that this was caused by the hit, but I guess if they hit the rudder hard enough and the tiller was lashed down maybe so.

Now for my question, The tiller is now split from the front to back at all the layers. Can it be fixed? Glued back to gether maybe?

Any ideas?

David North
Catalina 25, Swing Keel, 1977, Hull #6
Edmond, Oklahoma

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Jmurfy
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Response Posted - 06/16/2007 : 22:48:44

I replaced my tiller after it delaminated as you described and the PO tries to glue it back together. I bought a new tiller (they are not very expensive) and kept the old one as a spare.

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dnorth
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Response Posted - 06/16/2007 : 22:57:46

Anyting I should know about buying a new tiller? I saw one on Catalina Direct for $89.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 06/17/2007 : 08:52:31

Dave,

I did the reglue thing once and it lasted for a few years, then I saw that West Marine sold exact replacements for $55. The cost of glue, varnish and time makes a redo not a very practical way to go.

Val on Calista #3936, Patchogue, N.Y.

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haley
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Response Posted - 06/18/2007 : 10:28:06

Val,

Do you have a part #? The ones I am seeing are >$100.
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/233027/0/0/tiller/All_2/mode%20matchallpartial/15/0
John

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dnorth
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Response Posted - 06/18/2007 : 10:37:12

I just ordered the on from Catalina Direct for $59.95. Part #E8070.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 06/18/2007 : 15:33:13

When I replaced mine, WM's price was almost triple CD's for what is probably the exact same thing from the same maker. I generally argue against trying to repair tillers, and yours sounds worse than most. I would also take a hard look at the condition of the rudder around the pintles, and check that the gudgeons are solid. It sounds like you took quite a shot.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/18/2007 : 16:04:16

The replacement tiller I bought a few years ago from West Marine for $48.00 came from...

H&L Marine Woodwork, Inc.
323-636-1718 . . . Fax: 323-636-1718
2965 E. Harcourt St., Rancho Dominguez, CA 90221

They sell them for $59.98 plus shipping.

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haley
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Response Posted - 06/19/2007 : 07:13:30

I found the $59 one at Catalina Direct, they also recommended tiller "straps" - the metal brackets that attach tiller to rudder. Apparently the original ones have holes in a line, so bolts are all in the same layer of laminate in the tiller. Their "new improved" version staggers the holes diagonally. Hmmm. Something to think about.

jh

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 06/19/2007 : 07:50:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by haley
 ...they also recommended tiller "straps" - the metal brackets that attach tiller to rudder. Apparently the original ones have holes in a line, so bolts are all in the same layer of laminate in the tiller. Their "new improved" version staggers the holes diagonally...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Not a bad idea... My tiller cracked between two layers when somebody lost their balance and ended up sitting on it or something like that. Staggered bolts might have taken the abuse.

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stevena
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Response Posted - 06/19/2007 : 08:30:22

I whittled my new one out of a hickory plank. Not as pretty as lammenate but has held up well.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 06/19/2007 : 10:45:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stevena
 I whittled my new one out of a hickory plank. Not as pretty as lammenate but has held up well.
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Shaping it out of a solid piece of wood is OK as long as, at the S-curve, the grain doesn't go from the top to the bottom--that would make a weak spot under vertical stress (such as somebody stumbling and sitting on the tiller). That's the primary purpose for the lamination--to allow the grain to follow the curve.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 06/19/2007 : 11:29:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stevena
 I whittled my new one out of a hickory plank. Not as pretty as lammenate but has held up well.
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Shaping it out of a solid piece of wood is OK as long as, at the S-curve, the grain doesn't go from the top to the bottom--that would make a weak spot under vertical stress (such as somebody stumbling and sitting on the tiller). That's the primary purpose for the lamination--to allow the grain to follow the curve.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Must be quite a story here, Dave?

But, maybe we should let it go untold.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 06/19/2007 : 15:48:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Must be quite a story here, Dave?

But, maybe we should let it go untold.
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Not much of a story... A friend lost his balance and sat on my tiller. CRRRRACK! (Right through the bolt holes.) Some rigging tape helped get us to our destination. The End.

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Justin
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Response Posted - 03/08/2008 : 14:35:29

Don or anyone else, do you know which model is for our C-25's? The Cal 25 tiller looks similar and is my guess. Here is a link to their website:
[url="http://www.pyacht.net/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/h-h_and_l_sailboat_tlliers.htm?L+scstore+mdwh7632ffc6e0c6+1205064931"]H&R Tillers[/url]
Thanks,

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/08/2008 : 18:02:35

Justin,

It appears the P/N for the H&L tiller at Pyacht.net is HL112.

From the Pyacht.net site...

Part Number: hl112F

Product Description: H and L Tiller for Cor 25 / Cat 25 / Ranger 26 / ODay 27 - Finished

Price: $ 69.98

You can probably save tens buck and get it from H&L directly. They'd know the P/N for sure.

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