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filmsomething
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Initially Posted - 07/18/2007 : 08:31:49

I have been wanting to move up to a larger boat for awhile and came across a very nice 89 fk/sr with the traditional int. at my local dealer. His asking is higher then I like but the boat is in great cosmetic conditon. There were two things that seemed a little odd though, it has two different type of coushins for the berths and it has no carpet. I have seen on several pictures of the floor having carpeting, now was that an option or did they all have it. I just dont want to find out that it had water damage later on or something.

If I am able to sell my boat out right I will just buy one from the coast and make a road trip out of it, but so far he is the only one that will take it in on trade. (cincinnati doesn't have alot of sail boat dealers)

83' SK/SR

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 08:56:40

As has been said here hundreds of times, a professionally done survey is well worth its cost. Have an independent surveyor look at the boat. In the overall scheme of things, carpet and cushions are rather insignificant (altough a new set of cushions will cost several $100's). A survey will reveal significant water damage.

There are a lot of Catalinas available for sale. Your dealer is not the only game in town. Check out some of the on-line brokers to get an idea of price. A quick check at Yachtworld.com makes me think that $11,5k at Strictly Sail is in the neighborhood for the '89 assuming the condition warrants it. Remember, there's a big difference between asking price and selling price and a survey will help with that. Spend some time on this forum reading threads about the 89 model. There are a lot of proud owners of 89's here.

Welcome to the forum.

Edited by - John Russell on 07/18/2007 09:09:38

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 09:16:19

Welcome, Jon! The '89-91 C-25 is the pick of the litter--it was the last major upgrade before the boat became too expensive and a bit too heavy for the market in 1991, when it was discontinued. Therefore, that vintage commands a fair amount more than the earlier years. Yachtworld.com can give you a picture of the market--both nationwide and in your area.

John's advice is good--a survey not only will tell you if there are problems you can't see (such as rot in the plywood deck core); it will also give you a good picture of the maintenance items you'll want to attend to, along with their priorities. It'll be the best $350-400 you'll spend on the boat. If it finds a major problem, it'll be the best $350-400 you'll spend on yourself! Attend the survey, bring a clipboard, and ask lots of questions. But don't have the dealer recommend the surveyor--go to a local marina or look at http://www.marinesurvey.org/ . You can make your offer contingent on a satisfactory survey, and then negotiate a final price if the surveyor finds things that must be fixed.

BTW, what's he asking? We can weigh in on that, too.

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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 09:42:15

Carpet was an option, the boats are old and having some of the upholstery redone is understandable. A good 89-90 is well worth several thousand more than the older boats unless you are over 5'10", the boat you are looking at has three more inches of headroom and a flat floor which are huge issues for me. Look at my web pages in my sig and you will see lots of photos of my current 89 and my first boat which was an 82. The differences constitute a list which goes on and on and include the interior and the exterior. You are welcome to contact me outside of the forum if you want to talk about the differences in detail.
FWIW My 89 is worth $12k here in Kansas where top dollar for the earlier model is $10k.

edit: those are turnkey prices... essentially perfect boats with trailer and OB.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 07/18/2007 09:44:27

filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 10:01:56

well then it looks like I am good to go then, Strictly sail is who I do most of my business through and they are the ones with the boat that was listed.

Thanks

The boat is listed for 12k and that is without a trailer and with an OB.

I will look into getting a survey

Edited by - filmsomething on 07/18/2007 10:04:34

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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 10:16:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by filmsomething
 The boat is listed for 12k and that is without a trailer and with an OB.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I think you're starting in the right ballpark. 4-stroke or 2? A 4-stroke outboard could add $1000-$1500 to the average value of the same boat with an '89 2-stroke.

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filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 10:48:32

Not sure, I will give him a call about it, it's a 6hp elec start I know that much

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 11:17:45

For whatit is worth I have removed the carpet from both boats I have owned. We prefer the regular sole which is easier to clean and less prone to soaking things up.

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filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 11:32:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 $11,5k at Strictly Sail is in the neighborhood for the '89 assuming the condition warrants it.
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John where did you see the 11,5 asking price, I'm curious

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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 11:34:13

Where will you be sailing her? 6hp is OK for a small lake, but marginal at best for anything that will cause the boat to pitch--primarily because there's virtually no 6hp outboard with a 25" (extra-long) shaft, which is highly desirable behind the transom of a 25' boat. When that size boat pitches, a shorter shaft (short=15", long=20") pulls the prop out of the water, causing loss of power, possible damage to the engine, and awful noise.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 07/18/2007 11:35:03

filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 11:37:40

It will be mostly sailed in a smaller lake but I would really like to take it up to erie for a weekend sometime if I get a trailer for her

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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 17:03:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by filmsomething
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 $11,5k at Strictly Sail is in the neighborhood for the '89 assuming the condition warrants it.
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John where did you see the 11,5 asking price, I'm curious
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I typed wrong. I assumed you were talking about Strictly Sail so I went to their website in hopes of seeing pictures of the boat. Should have typed $11,9 which is what they have posted.

Edited by - John Russell on 07/18/2007 17:04:15

filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/18/2007 : 23:13:10

Well now the only issue I have is finding a ramp launchable trailer, this will be a little harder it seems

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 05:54:58

how much do you want to spend? Call triad trailers in new york.

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filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 06:06:02

I really was hoping to spend around 2k for one but I'm having trouble finding a good used one for that price. I have a place that will build one for me but it's 4500

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 08:54:18

Triad is the best.

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filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 09:24:11

their stuff looks good but it costs almost half of what I'm paying for the boat

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 09:37:45

Jon,
Are you looking to be a trailer-sailor? That has its own set of issues. Not the least of which are the tow vehicle requirements and ramp depth/length issues. It takes a lot of water to float that fin keel.

Have you explored wet slipping the boat somewhere? Grand Lake St. Mary north of Dayton is lovely. The commute time from Cincinnati would be about the same as the set-up/launch time. Getting Strictly Sail to deliver and the cost of stands for winter storage would cost less than the trailer.

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gbeardjr
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 10:01:13

I have a C25 trailer in decent shape I will sell you. It came with my boat but I never take it out of the water. No title on the trailer will sell for $1800.00

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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 10:03:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gbeardjr
 I have a C25 trailer in decent shape I will sell you...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
For a fin keel?

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dreddick
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 10:17:09

Grand Lake St. Marys would probably be too shallow for a fin, though. Those with swing keels can only lower them part way down - otherwise you may hit a stump.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Jon,
Are you looking to be a trailer-sailor? That has its own set of issues. Not the least of which are the tow vehicle requirements and ramp depth/length issues. It takes a lot of water to float that fin keel.

Have you explored wet slipping the boat somewhere? Grand Lake St. Mary north of Dayton is lovely. The commute time from Cincinnati would be about the same as the set-up/launch time. Getting Strictly Sail to deliver and the cost of stands for winter storage would cost less than the trailer.
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filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 11:09:08

I have a F250 power stroke diesel so I'm not worried about towing it. I had wanted to take it up to erie a couple times through the year and I also didnt want to have to pay for them to put it in and out of the water, that price right there is almost as much as a trailer. gbeard is your trailer for a fin keel and does it have an extension? I will be keeping the boat at brookville most of the year

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filmsomething
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 11:11:32

I like how well a fin keel points and I have never been a fan of a large swinging object under a boat. the boat I have now is a Precision 21 with a shoal keel and centerboard. it isn't bad just isnt as nice

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 21:15:52

First - give me a call before coming up this way to sail on Erie - I'll give you all the details. Keep in mind floaton/off on a fin is a pita.

I'd seriously take a look online for other boats - that price seems very high, even for an 89, when you take the trailer out of the mix.

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Chris Z
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 21:47:05

Are you looking at selling your Percision? Might know someone who might be interested. I think for lakes in the Ohio area and trailering, the swing keel is best. I have seen some posts here that even mention that it is the fastest of all types. Keep in mind that i bought my 1982 swing with a tandem axle trailer for 7,500.

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KiteKraemer
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Response Posted - 07/19/2007 : 23:02:54

I just bought a 25' 77 Swing keel, with 2 axle trailer for $8700- and this boat rocks! All new foam and upholstery, genoa, main, spinnaker, hull--as everything is in excellent condition. I wanted a newer model 25, I had just missed a 1990 C25 but I didn't like the 2 opposing settees anyway. This 77 has the dinette layout which is really nice. West Coast boat, born in Malibu, raised in Seattle, Settled in Portland. Pop-top VHF, depth, speed, dodger, no steaming or deck lights, but overall this was in excellent shape. Also, I think the windows on the older boats are nicer. The Unicorn also has a 2 burner propane stove, oven, and BBQ....and a custom Stainless Steel 10 gallon gas tank!
I'm looking for a power or hydraulic set-up for the pop top as it's too heavy to lift--as well as a upgrade skylight V-birth hatch ... any thoughts?

Edited by - KiteKraemer on 07/19/2007 23:04:03

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