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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 20:04:48

Dave,

The soft spot I thought I felt is on the sloped part between the upper part of the floor and the lower part of the floor. I'm thinking there just may be a normal void under that slope and that is what I was feeling. It's still very stiff just a slight deflection. I figured if it was a soft spot developing I could just drill a small hole and fill it with Rid Rot or epoxy. Like I say at this time it's almost unnoticeble.

Thanks again for your help!
Gary

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 22:42:57

I'm pretty sure the cabin sole is not backed or cored, so some deflection around the hump can probably be expected and there's nothing to rot under it. There is a plywood core under the cockpit sole that can be affected by leaks around he scuppers thru the sole on older models. The later transom drains generally don't cause that problem, even if they leak a little--the water runs down to the bilge.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/28/2007 : 22:27:16

While I'd really like to get the '89 TR/WK that I've discussed on this site I don't know that I want to spend that much money at this time.

The '83 TR/FK I mentioned is still available. It's got 110 and 150 hank on headsails, an old motor, and needs a bottom job. Mainsail is in average condition. Other than that the boat is in good condition with no soft spots that I could detect. It's pretty stock with only a compass as an ad on. It's a fresh water only boat and is located in the Dallas, TX area.

Would $5K be a reasonable price for this boat?

Gary

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wmsgvine
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Response Posted - 08/29/2007 : 13:03:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 Looking through this site and many others I'm finding a hard time developing a feel for what the different year models should sell for. It seems like the asking prices are all over the place. I'm looking at a '89 Tall Rig/ Wing Keel that is in very good condition and has a full cover for the cockpit and cabin top, outboard, a 150 furling genoe and mainsail in average condition. No trailer. Looking through the various sites I feel the boat is worth $9,500.00 to maybe $10,000.00.

Does anyone have a better feel for waht this boat might be worth?

Thanks in advance for your help!

GaryB
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wmsgvine
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Response Posted - 08/29/2007 : 13:07:36

I am also looking for a Cat 25 in the Dallas area. Gary, I saw an ad for the boat at Grapevine. I can say that $12,500 for that boat is a little high. Any other thoughts as to where I might look?

wmsgvine

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/29/2007 : 14:15:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 While I'd really like to get the '89 TR/WK that I've discussed on this site I don't know that I want to spend that much money at this time.

The '83 TR/FK I mentioned is still available. It's got 110 and 150 hank on headsails, an old motor, and needs a bottom job. Mainsail is in average condition. Other than that the boat is in good condition with no soft spots that I could detect. It's pretty stock with only a compass as an ad on. It's a fresh water only boat and is located in the Dallas, TX area.

Would $5K be a reasonable price for this boat?

Gary
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no, that is an $8,000 boat with no trailer. Gary, our boats here in the real midwest are worth more than most other places, especially if it spends the winter on the hard. Our boats bake all summer long and tend to not have problems with core and delamination damage. It is kind of like buying a used car from a place where they do not out salt on the roads in the winter; better cars. What you might want to do is add up the money it will cost to make a boat the way you want it, for me that has been:
new halyards, sheaves and exit blocks... $300
new rope clutches and deck organizers with a mastbase plate for blocks... $600
new sails with mainsail cover... $$1,750
stereo with speakers in and out... $600
onboard battery charger... $250
serious bottom job... $2,500
new uhpolstery... $1,200
new mainsheet and blocks... $200
various blocks... $200
carpet... $200
some rewiring and fixtures... $150
canvas covers... $800
new tiller... $100
shore power cable... $100
mast rewire with fixtures and deck plug... $200
new lifelines and modern pelican hooks... $200
... over $9000 for me and in my case that list does not include the refit of my trailer which has been another grand.

You might be able to think of other things that will be important to you. Now look at the two boats that are for sale, how much of this list needs to be done? What ever does not need to be done is simply the cost of refit that you do not need to do.
There is an old saying, "a $10,000 boat is a $10,000 boat, you can pay now or later" If you buy a boat for 5k it will need 5k of work to make it a nice Catalina 25. I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who does not have $10k in their boat. Have you been on both the '89 and the '83?

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/29/2007 : 18:52:41

wmsgvine,

Email me offline and I'll tell you which boats not to waste your time on. I know more about the boats in Dallas than I do down here in Houston.

GaryB

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/29/2007 : 19:11:48

Frank Hopper,

I'm not sure which boat you're talking about. Are you saying the '89 is an $8K boat with no trailer or that the '83 is worth at least $8K without a trailer?

I can get the '83 for $5,500.00.

Yes, I've been on both boats! The '83 has a good sail cover and the sails are mid-life (they need to be cleaned), it will need a new rudder at some point,the interior is worn but there are no tears, it could be updated. The halyards are good, it definitely needs a bottom job, the traveler needs to be replaced. The deck and hull are in good solid condition. The teak needs to be re-done. Overall it's a usable C25 that will eventually need some TLC.

Part of the problem I'm struggling with is having to spend $1K to have the boat moved to where I want to sail it. I can't find any good C25's for sale in Central Texas. That's why I'm looking in Dallas. If I could find an '83 in Central Texas I would feel better about paying $5.5K.

Thanks for your input!
GaryB

Gary

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/29/2007 : 19:14:52

Forgot to mention the '89. It's a nice boat that won't need much if any work for a while. It's already got most of the updates you mentioned in your email.

GaryB

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tizer2
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Response Posted - 09/02/2007 : 10:00:29

Consider buying a boat outside your local area. I live in Ontario and bought my boat in Florida. Even with shipping, taxes, US/CDN exchange rate factored in, I saved about 30% compared to what I would have paid in my local market. Many more 250's available for sale in Florida and the Eastern seaboard than in Ontario make it more of a buyer's market.

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 09/05/2007 : 16:18:30

Gary: There is what looks like a real nice 25/tr/fk listed here for $6,500. The boat is in the Carolinas, but, you maybe able to negotiate having it moved to your area pretty cheaply if you are flexible when it is moved and, all in, should still be far less expensive that the TX boats

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/05/2007 : 19:50:30

Peter,

Do you have a site where I can see this boat? What year model is it?

Thanks for the tip!

Gary

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/05/2007 : 20:07:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Hopper
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 While I'd really like to get the '89 TR/WK that I've discussed on this site I don't know that I want to spend that much money at this time.

The '83 TR/FK I mentioned is still available. It's got 110 and 150 hank on headsails, an old motor, and needs a bottom job. Mainsail is in average condition. Other than that the boat is in good condition with no soft spots that I could detect. It's pretty stock with only a compass as an ad on. It's a fresh water only boat and is located in the Dallas, TX area.

Would $5K be a reasonable price for this boat?

Gary
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no, that is an $8,000 boat with no trailer. Gary, our boats here in the real midwest are worth more than most other places, especially if it spends the winter on the hard. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Frank Hopper,

I wasn't sure which boat you were referring to when you made the above statement. Were you talking about the '83 or the '89 being an $8,000 boat without the trailer?

Thank you in advance!
Gary

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 09/06/2007 : 07:39:34

Gary:

It is right here on the Swap Meet:

For sale: 1985 Catalina 25
Tall Rig, Fin Keel, Hull #5171
Regularly sailed and well maintained
Always in fresh water, Lake Norman, NC
No trailer
Ullman mainsail (2003) loose foot, 2 reef points
Jib (110%), Genoa (150%) and heavy weather jib (70%)
Tohatsu 6hp 4 stroke (2003)
Autopilot, VHF and more.

To see pictures and more detailed specifications of this boat please visit my website at http://www.matsche.net/

Asking $6,500

I hate to sell her, but we are moving from the area and cannot take her with us. I have been with the Catalina Assoc now for 5 years and even though I don't post much anymore, I still have gotten a lot of invaluable information from you guys.

I have this boat brokered with Carolina Rigging, (704) 662-3847 or (704) 201-4573 [cell].
http://www.carolinarigging.com/
Please give Tim at Carolina Rigging a call if you'd like to see this boat or post here if you have any questions at all.

Thanks,

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John Matsche 1985 TR/FK #5171

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txbigfoot
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Response Posted - 09/06/2007 : 09:48:21

Gary, i am sure I could save you some money on transporting your boat. Let me know your lowest bid and I am sure I could help you out for cheaper than the commercial guys. I just dragged my cat 25 home and it was a very easy trip. I have a trailer that would work for a 22 up to a 30 foot boat with either a fixed/fin or swing keel.
Dan in Austin

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/06/2007 : 09:50:22

Dan,

Where'd you get your boat from?

Gary

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