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gonna have another Ericson surveyed

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Gloss
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Initially Posted - 08/22/2007 : 11:57:53

Hi folks,
I'm supporting the marine survey and haul out industry. I have a deposit down on that Ericson 32 in Burnt Store Florida (you can see it on yachtworld.com or boats.com).
Survey is 512 and haul out is 240, if the bottom needs cleaning for inspection, that's another 120. Youch.
I hope that this one surveys out well. From what I can see, the boat is about as nice as a 22 year old boat can be. All of the other Ericson 32's out there that I can find look like project boats. I'll take a break from boat shopping, as the process is very expensive.

Frank Gloss
Formerly 89WK/TR
85 Ericson 32-3 shoal draft "Molto Bene"

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 12:10:04

good luck

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 13:01:47

Hi Frank,
I went and looked at this online last time you posted about it, what a beauty! A bit much for my wallet but a great boat. I like the 4'4" draft too. Hope it checks out for you!

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Don B
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 13:31:18

Beautiful boat! Were you able to sea trial it during one of our warmish afternoon thunderstorms?

Best of luck on the deal.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 14:23:18

Looks excellent, I'm sure the survey result will be quite positive. Congratulations Frank!

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 14:33:11

Looks nice on the site...the pix don't show the v-berth or very much of the deck - a single owner for 22 years is a big plus. How's the plumbing?

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 08:16:04

No, I didn't sea trial it. But I have sailed two other Ericson 32's and they are quite responsive for a boat this large. Very easily oversteered, and it points a lot better than my 89 wing.
I'm sure the surveyor will check out all the plumbing. One of the reasons I'm buying a larger boat is that it has a walk in bathroom. I have had more than one female guest balk at using my porta potti, even though it is new, and I keep it spotlessly clean and pumped out fresh. I even use Odorlos treatment which has no odor. I recommend that for everyone, and I'll use it in my new holding tank.
The main kitchen sink has a dual water supply. It has a fresh water pressurized system with a backup foot pump. To a seperate faucet it has a salt water supply with another foot pump. My broker said one of the ways you can tell which faucet is which is by the amount of corrosion on it. We couldn't tell. A very good sign. The boat has a fresh water history, we just don't know what it is just yet, or when it was moved to salt water. I found a baseball cap from a marina/yacht club in Lake Michigan in the vee berth.
Very little green corrosion on any of the fittings on the engine, and no corrosion on any of the electrical connections, not even the batteries, which were clean as new.
I'll keep you posted

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 08:19:56

So far shes sounding good!

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 08:21:16

Another nice thing about this boat is the 4'4" draft. What ericson did was lengthen the fore/aft dimension of the keel (Is this called the root?) when they raised it from the deep keel version, so you have the same area. It also has kind of a bulb to the tip. I realize that aeronautically/hydrodynamically this isn't as efficient as a deep narrow keel, but at least it is better than just cutting the keel off. I'm sure our racers, or Oscar could explain this subject better than me.
Speaking of racing, apparently this boat has a fast PHRF number and beats other boats in it's size.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 08:39:14

Frank, it is a kick ass boat. I did not notice, does it have a marine air conditioner? You will need one, they are probably cheaper in Florida as that is where a lot are sold.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 08:41:48

That longer (fore-to-aft) keel will help maintain directional stabiity in the large following seas you often get in Knoxville...

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 10:54:40

Good one Dave

No, Frank, it doesn't have marine air conditioning. Even if it did, I'm not sure that the 20 amp 125 volt outlets on my dock will power one anyways. I'm going to talk to an electrician to see if we could do a load test on my dock power to see what I could draw. Then I would have to see what a marine air unit draws. I would like to install a central unit with about 16 to 20 thousand btu, but like Mick says "You can't always get what you want"

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 12:32:51

I think those would be around 10-12 amps Call Ocean Breeze or Mermaid and talk to them. I can't imagine a boat like that without AC, I run AC at all times on my 89.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/27/2007 : 19:32:55

Frank Hopper,

What kind of AC do you have on your C25?

Gary

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/28/2007 : 08:26:44

I use a window unit 6,500 BTU. It is installed in the bulkhead between the bulkhead and sail locker. If you look through my sailing pages you will find shots of the unit on my '82 and on my '89. The secret to my method is high velocity fans in the cockpit handling the heat exchange in the sail locker. One fan blows down and slightly forward, the other blows straight up. With that much air moving through the sail locker there has never been ANY condensation water in the sail locker and my unit has never cycled due to heat. Moving the air through the boat is important, I have used a large Vornado multi-speed fan to blow the chilled quarterberth air into the salon, I also have a small Caframo blowing air back into the quarterberth, creating a current through the salon. On very hot days (above 100), I will sacrifice the forward area by closing the curtain to the head. I will post a couple of photos here but there are lots that show incidental things on my site.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/28/2007 : 09:07:00

Thank you Frank! How do you like your '89? Would you recommend it over an earlier year model? What do you think is a reasonable price to pay for an '89 tall rig/wing keel? What's your opinion of a wing keel vs. a fin keel?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/28/2007 : 10:23:59

The Catalina 25 "final version" (AKA '89-'90) and the Capri 26 are two remarkable boats. There are very few of either and both carry a premium price. The differences between an early Catalina 25 and an '89 are to many to list, the only things they have in common are the hull molds. Over time the various evolutionary changes to the Catalina 25 changed many things but the '89 was a complete rework of the deck, hull liners, transom, hardware and rigging. The rig dimensions stayed the same but the spars were updated to modern standards of paint, wiring, and running rigging. The hull liners, both top and bottom, make a huge difference culminating in several more inches of headroom and a flat floor, (people with dinettes do not realize how uneven the floor is for the traditional interior boats), The main hatch fit is much better, there is a Bomar hatch forward, larger windows, opening ports in both the head and quarterberth, redesigned battery storage and tankage. On deck the stantions are moved to the toerail and the genoa tracks are moved inboard and recessed in the deck making room to walk on the side decks, (there is no room to walk on older Catalina 25s), a flatter poptop area, (including recessed handrails), makes sitting on top of the cabin much nicer. The list literally goes on forever, as I said in the other thread you should buy an '89 if you can find one and don't worry about the price as long as it is under $13,500. Over that you should look at ODay 272s and Capri 26s, Frank Gloss' '89 will come with a trailer.
Fin is always best, sailing venues dictate the need for a wing, I am glad I have a wing but envy the fin. Feel free to call or email me if you want to talk more. We should not continue to highjack Frank's thread.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 08/28/2007 : 13:23:54

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">(there is no room to walk on older Catalina 25s)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Depends on your circumference!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/28/2007 : 14:39:54

Or shoe size, my 13s sure had a problem!

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/28/2007 : 21:09:26

Aarghh. Me thread has been hijacked matey.

No big deal. I'm currently contemplating the results of the survey on the Ericson 32.

I'll add to what Frank says about how much difference there is in the 89 versus earlier models. I may add, that you will have to add the cost of a trailer to the 13,500 figure that Frank mentioned, and then consider how "tricked out" the boat is, ie. whether it has new sails, standing rigging, new motor, etc.
And whether or not you can find an 89 in the first place.

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