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gerdo
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Initially Posted - 07/30/2002 : 10:18:42

I have a 1982 SK SR 25, fuel tank is in port locker. I route the hose through the notch under the locker lid across cockpit floor and through the starboard scupper (cockpit drain hole) to the outboard. Is there a better way to do this without laying it on the floor of the cockpit? In the fuel locker there is a 5 inch by 5 inch square hole in the back of the locker. No hole through the transom. What might that hole be for?

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Response Posted - 07/30/2002 : 11:55:17

Sounds like somebody cut the hole to get to something like the bolts for some hardware... Is it close to something like the traveler, the swim ladder, or some other attachments? If you go through the transom on that side, then (assuming your motor is on starboard) you'll have to route the hose between the rudder and the transom. I don't see that being worth another hole in the boat...

I changed my fuel line from going through the starboard cockpit drain to going over the transom to keep it from hanging quite so low around the outboard bracket.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/30/2002 : 11:55:35

I haven't noticed that hole, but might it be for ventilation?

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Response Posted - 07/30/2002 : 12:22:24

I'm with Dave, sounds like someone was searching for transom hardware. If this hole is open, I'd evaluate the possibility of gas fumes migrating into the bilge.

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Response Posted - 07/30/2002 : 16:17:48

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If this hole is open, I'd evaluate the possibility of gas fumes migrating into the bilge.
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Good point! The "new" fuel locker (starting in the early '80s) was designed to isolate the gasoline and its fumes from the interior of the boat. The small hole for a bolt lock shouldn't compromise that much, but a large opening to the area between the locker and the transom could. I'd probably close it.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/30/2002 : 17:29:15

Along this same line: The previous owner of my boat carried an additional gas can forward of the starboard side locker. I question the safety of carrying this extra tank in that space. Any thoughts on this?

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Response Posted - 07/30/2002 : 21:43:11

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The previous owner of my boat carried an additional gas can forward of the starboard side locker.
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I think we need some help here... On ours, forward of the starboard cockpit seat locker is nothing but quarterberth down below. Where was this gas can?

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 08:56:15

Good point, the hole will be closed up soon. But can any one address the best way to route the fuel line. Is the starboard cockpit drain hole the most common route? How did the one post take the line over the transom. Another hole in the locker lid or a longer hose?

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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 11:03:29

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Is the starboard cockpit drain hole the most common route? How did the one post take the line over the transom. Another hole in the locker lid or a longer hose?
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About going over the transom, my standard Honda line is long enough to go through the hatch opening at the floor, across and up over the starboard side of the tiller cutout in the transom, and down to the motor (with a coil in the locker). I chose that route over the drain because, with the motor up or down, the line isn't hanging on the bracket where it could get pinched. I've seen several others use the drain. I can't recommend punching any holes for this purpose--get a new fuel line if you want to route it differently.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 11:12:25

Mental Floss uses a longer hose. It passes throught the cutout in the aft end of the fuel locker cover, across the cockpit sole right against the transom, then up and over the transom on the starboard side of the cutout for the tiller/traveler. It is tied off to the pulpit where it passes over the transom. With the hose we have it puts the priming pump about half-way up the transom so is very convenient.

Our motor control cables do pass through the starboard scupper so it is already pretty full.

Tony Dillon
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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 12:22:29

Re storage of extra fuel can: Guess I misstated. On the port side of the cockpit just forward of the gasoline compartment the previous owner carried a spare gas can. I question the safety of that location - lack of ventilation, electrical conections. Any thoughts?

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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 12:45:06

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On the port side of the cockpit just forward of the gasoline compartment the previous owner carried a spare gas can. I question the safety of that location - lack of ventilation, electrical conections. Any thoughts?
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Randolph: If you're talking about the locker just forward of the fuel locker, you're very right to question it. That locker is fondly referred to as "the dumpster" around here, and is open to the bilge as well as your electrical panel. Fumes, which are heavier than air, can build up in there and migrate to the bilge. An electic bilge pump, for example, could create a little surprise! Spills will also migrate down and evaporate (except for the oil), and things could get smelly in the cabin. If you need to carry more than the 6 gallons that fit in the fuel locker, I'll recommend placing a spare can against the transom on the cockpit floor, where it's pretty much out of the way. If it's not a low can, you might be able to bungee it to the sternrail or the traveler.

BTW, for you guys with older boats, I know that the dumpster is ventilated. On the newer boats with fuel lockers, it is not.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 13:21:38

Hi Guys

I too am wondering about the location of the port fuel locker versus the starbord engine mount. It seems to require a ludicrous amount of fuel line. I hope this string will come up with some creative suggestions.

I also have a sk/tr and I have a square teak plate covering a small hatch at the foot of the quarter berth. It is centrally located seems to be original and I assume it is there to access the lower gudgeon.

Stephen Bohlin

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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 14:03:20

Gerdo,

On Hey Jude '82 I route the line through the port drain hole and between the rudder and transom. The engine electrical follows the same route and I have a few tiewraps around to keep them neat. There is enough slack so nothing hangs but not too much so it does not look tacky.

Can't figger out that hole you described.

I store two 2.5gal plastic gas jugs in the port locker. Never had a problem with any fumes leaking. My spare docking lines, heaving lines, tow lines are there neatly hanging from the rack, along with a deck brush and boat hook. (and a fire extinquisher). I keep two floatable throw cushions there as well.

The complex angles down there make anything collect toward the bilges, so I put only these items inside. No little things.

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Jim Williams
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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 14:14:56

"If you need to carry more than the 6 gallons"

http://www.iboats.com/mall/index.cgi?store_id=311& prod_id=4161& cart_id=459886516& current_category=fuel%20tank

If you want to increase your main gas tank capacity, the Tempo 9GAS is the largest off-the-shelf tank that will fit in the newer (post-1980?) port fuel locker. Its name implies 9 gallons, but the specs say it carries 7.5 gallons. It's a tight fit though. A small 90 degree brass elbow piece helps to attach your fuel line to the tank because the fuel tank exit on this tank is right at the edge of the tank (meaning it's right against the interior wall of the fuel locker). A kinked fuel hose and poor engine performance can result if you use the normal, straight brass fitting (yes, I found this out the hard way). Boater's World had the good price on the tank ($30), significantly less than West Marine, Boat US, etc.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Response Posted - 07/31/2002 : 14:34:04

I think we all have the inspection hole at the foot of the quarter berth. I have used mine to check the lower gudgeon nuts and when I moved my motor from port to starboard I was able to access the area between the transom and the hull liner for motor mount bolts and electrical connections from the motor. I have an older boat with the cowlings on both stern corners. Through the starboard cowling I run the electrical from the motor and through the port cowling I run the fuel line. I wire tied the fuel line along the top of the transom to the traveler and stantions, under the tiller. We have the cockpit drains in the floor, not through the transom.

If you wanted to get fancy you could probably route the fuel line from the port fuel locker in between the transom and the hull liner to starboard cowling or a proper thru hull in the transom. I'm not sure it is worth the effort but it would certainly tidy up the transom.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
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Nancy Cole
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Response Posted - 08/02/2002 : 18:32:45

Greetings

I've just read the string and began to wonder if my fuel storage, fuel line set up is OK. My motor is mounted on the port side. My fuel is in the port locker with the fuel line going up through the scupper. I have an electric start. I was initially worried that the locker was open to the back of my electrical panel. I tend to open the locker before I start the motor but I'm not sure that does any good. Please share your thoughts with me/

Nancy Cole
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Response Posted - 08/02/2002 : 19:52:20

Nancy,<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>My fuel is in the port locker with the fuel line going up through the scupper.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>I assume you mean that your fuel tank is located on the shelf at the very aft end inside of the port cockpit locker. And the fuel line exits the locker through the portside cowl vent which vaguely resembles a clothes dryer vent. From there the fuel hose hangs down over the back of the transom to the engine mounted on the port side. Right? (I think of the two bath tub drains at the aft end of the cockpit foot well as the "scuppers". Arr, Matey!<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>)

I have a 1979 C-25 (#1460), and I stopped putting fuel containers in the port locker as soon as I got the boat. For now, I keep a plastic tank in the cockpit until I get around to finishing my 12-gal. built in tank installation. Here are (I hope) a couple of links to previous threads on the topic of early model C-25 port locker fuel storage:

[url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=771"]Fuel Tank Venting[/url]

[url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=491"]Port Locker Mods[/url]

Let me know if you need more info on the built in tank and/or port locker modification projects.

-- Leon Sisson

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