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RL
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Initially Posted - 04/29/2002 : 16:26:02

This may get to be a long thread but I curious about the yearly expenses that we have with our boats. Not being a racer and old sails being fine for my purposes, my largest expense for a year is dock fee. I sail on a small 1500 acre lake in Ohio. My dock has neither water or electric and I pay $485 for a 6 month season of April to October. The grounds and facilites on shore are great. Nice showers, private restroom facilities, good restaurant and small but expensive supply store. I think I'm getting a good deal, any comments???????

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OJ
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 16:43:04

Sounds like you're doing very good there RL! We pay $650 - April through October for our dock with no utils, mediocre facilities on a 3,325 acre lake.

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jm
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 17:01:01

For May to October, we pay $1200 including shore power, 7/24 dock security and full mens/womens facilities, on a 6.5 million acre lake.

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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 17:10:44

On Canyon Lake (our 12 sq mile "little puddle" as DonL puts it!) I pay $221 a month which includes 30A shore power, water and excellent concrete topped docks with one wide and one narrow full length finger pier for each slip. Our Yacht Club dues are $20 a month and this includes at least 2 free dinners a month during social events, use of the Clubhouse kitchen and other facilities. The Club is a much better bargain than the marina...
Derek

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MarkTM
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 18:38:35

Just up the road from Derek's 8,000 acre puddle is our "just a bit larger" 19,000 acre puddle (Lake Travis). We pay $8/ft./mo. (or $200/mo.) for our wet slip plus $20 trailer storage. Slip includes 30A/15A electric, city water and pumpout station. Concrete topped, floating steel docks. Small shower house/restrooms. Large hydro-hoist for bottom jobs & power washing (extra cost).

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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 18:59:34

On my 6,342,400 acre puddle, <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Lake Erie, I pay $48.00 per week which will come out to a little over $1,000 for May 1st to Oct 1st. The marina is located in a metropark that encompasses 1,600 acres with 3 miles of Lake Erie shoreline, and includes a wavepool and 18 hole golf course. http://www.metroparks.com/lakeerie.html

Don Lucier, Northstar
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joshuaheard
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 19:28:26

On my "little puddle", the Pacific Ocean, I pay $300/mo in Newport Beach harbor. Includes water, electricity and restroom/shower.

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coldducks
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 19:58:49

you guys got it good. we are in boston harbor. we pay 2500.00 for our season. may 1st to october 15th. that includes our shore power. we do have showers and lanundry facilities, but thats it. (although we do have the best view of the boston skyine!)

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Phredde
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 20:31:38

I know I've got most of you beat. $120 a month for rickety wooden docks with only a bathroom and a nearby grocery store for ammenities.

What's so great about that? Well its on San Francisco's marina green, a stone's throw from the bay's best sailing, and IMHO, our little puddle beats them all.

Happy Sailing!

Phredde
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 20:59:39

Phredde - I think you win....<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle> Do you have any empty slips...?
Derek

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John V.
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 22:59:15

OK guys, this is getting really interesting. It reminds me of those "when I was your age I had to walk ten miles to school through 10 feet of snow, uphill, both ways....." :) My puddle is the North Channel of Lake Huron. My dock is old and rickety and my mooring is a V8 engine block we paid $20 bucks for in 1976 and is still down there. Some seasons it takes me a while to find the chain. The shore facilities are great. showers laundry and a 100 year old cottage built by my great grandfather. The tiny Island where my home is has no store minimal roads, and neighbors who are all the great grandchildren of the same friends who settled here for relief from hay fever, summer heat and accademia over a hundred years ago. From there it is 60 miles Mackinaw Island, 100 miles to Gore Bay, 20 miles to Lake superior. By way of Lake Erie and the NY state canal you can get to the Hudson and the Atlantic. Or you can go the other way down lake Michigan Through Chicago eventually you end up in the Mississippi get into the Ohio river then the Tennessee, then the Tenn Tom waterway and into the Gulf. Wow what a puddle!!
Oh by the way we are going to replace the dock this year. ($7000.00)

I enjoy reading to posts on this forum and rarely post, mostly because any thing I would have to say has usually been said. I hope you are all busy with spring fitting out, or you have already got your boats in the water. being a great lakes sailor and a teacher I'm not really ready to sail till after I teach my last class and I get to my precious island. Once there though I am on the boat all the time from late June to mid August.

John V Nin Bimash II
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dave andersen
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 00:01:42

You guys have it cheap -- In Ventura --first class moorage is
300.00 with live aboards paying about 450.00 with full
services -- fortunately in Ventura Keys I have my own moorage
behind my house with a 35 foot dock -- for the first 3 years
here I rented my dock out and the proceeds paid for my first
boat -- ie. man bites dog -- dock pays for boat.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 00:05:24

Puget Sound Tacoma Wa. Average rate for a 25 to 30 foot slip is 170 to 180 a month with electricity surcharge of 15 to 20 dollars. The amenities vary by location. Showers laundry and nearby resteraunts. Month to month lease year round.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 11:36:52

We pay 2200 for a dock, electric (most of the time) water. Have a shower and clean bathroom and includes a drop in too. Storage for the winter is 400 bucks and that includes in and out and jack stands.

Don, where do you have a 485 dock without power on lake erie?

Duane Wolff
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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 12:01:57

I pay $550 for a slip, from Memorial Day to Labor Day, on an old wooden dock. Hook-ups? what's that <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> There is a shower to use, but it's on septic so use is timed to 3 minutes or less. The store is small but stocks my favorite beer. There is a restaurant at the lodge but.... kinda pricey. The lake is 3 hours away. Beautifully nestled at 7000' in the High Sierra Mountains. It's seven miles long and 1 mile wide (at it's widest point) The wind is so predictable you can set your watch by it. The air temperature can be as high as 85 but is usually around 75. The water is a brisk 50 to 60 degrees. Except for some annual regattas, the boat traffic is around 10 to 15 ( 2 or 3 of those are power or pwc ) Oh yeah, there is a 5 year waiting list for a windward slip ( 10 years for leeward )

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 12:46:52

Gosh, you folks have made my day! At Urbanna Yachting Center (just off the gorgeous Rappahannock River, 15 miles from the Chesapeake Bay), I pay $ 850/year. That includes 30 amp electricity and dockside water; clean restrooms and showers; full service yard with travel lift; and a gorgeous little town with laundry facilities, restaurants, hardware store, bed and breakfasts and inn, supermarket, etc., a short walk up the hill. And, yes, San Francisco is breathtaking, but we don't have earthquakes here. I humbly nominate the Chesapeake for the best sailing puddle in the world (except for those windless 98 degree, 250% humidity days in August).

Brooke Willson

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 13:56:16

$162/month in LA Harbor -- comes with heavy traffic, pollution, crime, sleazy strip bars, celebrity sightings, electricity, clean showers, some pretty good slip neighbors and the shortest sail to Catalina Island.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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LOREN SOUERS
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 14:00:37

RL,

You sound like you sail near me. I sail on Atwood Lake, maybe 40 miles NW of Wheeling. I am a member of the Atwood Lake Yacht Club. We pay $550/yr membership fees (pretty cheap really). Docking for the C25 is $330/season (May-Oct). We also have to pay $185? for a sticker to dock on the lake, which is a flood control lake controlled by the infamous Army Corps of Engineers. I suspect you are sailing on one of these lakes. Your docking fees are about what I think they are at the West Marina on Atwood.

I am most interested in the response from the Chesapeake. PLEASE keep this discussion secret, or all of our rates will go up.

Loren Souers, Canton, Ohio

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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 16:51:18

$1100 a season (May - Nov) for a 500# swing mooring in Fisher's Island Sound (CT/RI border) with launch service from Memorial Day to Labor Day, heads & showers. A slip is more than twice as much, but on new, floating concrete docks with water and power. Winter storage ~$750.

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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 18:13:01

Duane,

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Don, where do you have a 485 dock without power on lake erie? -Duane Wolff<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

What do you mean by this statement? What is a 485 dock?

My dockage has full electric and water, along with excellent shower/restroom facilities.

Don Lucier, Northstar
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Shelby
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 20:36:41

At Lake Pleasant in AZ, we paid $389 per month, which included a dock box, trailer storage, elec, water, clean showers, two doc fingers. I moved to dry storage which is $84 per month and I still have access to water and elec. and it is only about 1/2 mile away from the lake. Does make for a little more work, but I don't have to take the mast down and the boat is in a fenced area with a locked gate.

Shelby on "Third S" '82 C25 #3208 SKSR

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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 21:22:36

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
$162/month in LA Harbor -- comes with heavy traffic, pollution, crime, sleazy strip bars, celebrity sightings, electricity, clean showers, some pretty good slip neighbors and the shortest sail to Catalina Island.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"
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How is the talent in those sleazy strip bars? Sounds like you have it similar to me...closest marina to downtown, but right next the the land version of the head tank recycling plant...

Duane Wolff
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 21:30:17

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>

What do you mean by this statement? What is a 485 dock?

My dockage has full electric and water, along with excellent shower/restroom facilities.

Don Lucier, Northstar
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Don,

Actually, I think I mentally merged your post and RL's post creating a mythical $485 dollar dock on Lake Erie without power.... I am usually typing about 5 to 10 sentences behind what my brain is processing.....

Sorry...

DW

PS: maybe we could add 485 dockage to our sailing glossary, anyone care to come up with a definition?

Duane Wolff
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 21:36:01

A 485 dock is:

4 feet in water depth,

8 feet wide, and

5 miles to the nearest shower.

Don Lucier, Northstar
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 04/30/2002 : 22:25:11

Don - that's priceless! I definitely FOFLMDFHO !<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek

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Response Posted - 05/01/2002 : 00:20:59

$350 for a mooring from mid April to Mid October. That includes secure trailer storage. But demand is high and there is a lottery each year for mooring buoys and dry dock space. My puddle is actually a small reservoir in central Indiana we call Eagle Ocean (Eagle Creek Reseroir). If you're lucky enough to get a slip goes for $1100 with about a 2 year waiting list. The rest rooms stink, no electricity, no water, no pump out but there is one nice resturant and a frozen custard stand onshore. My monthly expenses increased after they opened the frozen custard stand!

Its funny how we all compare how good or how bad we have it, but the truth is.... most of us wouldn't give it up for the world!

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