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zebra50
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Initially Posted - 10/19/2007 : 12:40:32

Just a few of the many mods, thanks to the forum, that I have added to the 1998 250WB # 370-

this shows the Life nte along the entire forward area, attached shore power cord, mounted anchor, and vent fan

Battery meter

A poor mans Nav Pod. GPS, "tilt meter", temp., and humidity gauge. mounted on guard above compass

am/fm/cd player. Shore power outlet

speakers for stereo

cabin fams-rotate or stationary

bimini

cutting board/tv stand over burner.

adjustable eyes for Edson steering

ez steer set up. any one want to purchase this? It is for sale. I am unable to use it due to position of OB motor. I cant get OB to turn properly & totally to port

Jay
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zebra50
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Response Posted - 10/19/2007 : 12:42:02

a larger picture of the small first one

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JohnMD
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Response Posted - 10/19/2007 : 13:43:17

Do you remember where you got that volt meter? Brand? That's just what I've been looking for. Thanks

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 10/19/2007 : 14:32:19

Very nice mods. I'm getting there slowly.

I'm interesting in the voltmeter also. Although I doubt this I have to ask: Can it convert to %?

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 10/19/2007 14:33:06

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/19/2007 : 14:40:34

Tell usmore about the EZsteer. Why doesn't it work with your outboard?? Would it work with other brands of outboards or is there a basic problem with the EZsteer approach?

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Response Posted - 10/19/2007 : 15:09:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JohnMD
 Do you remember where you got that volt meter? Brand? That's just what I've been looking for. Thanks
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I got it at Walmart in the auto section. It was under $20. I first heard about it here in our forum

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Response Posted - 10/19/2007 : 15:14:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Tell usmore about the EZsteer. Why doesn't it work with your outboard?? Would it work with other brands of outboards or is there a basic problem with the EZsteer approach?
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The ez steer does a great job but my OB will not turn enough to port to make it usable. The mounting where the handle used to be (removed for the pedestal controls) keeps the motor from rotating far enough.

It is also blocked on the other side by the base of the motor.

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Response Posted - 10/19/2007 : 17:14:17

where did you get bimini? is it rail mount? what are dimension?
looks great.

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Response Posted - 10/19/2007 : 22:26:19

You mean that it is blocked when the motor is raised and you try steering? If so, this is what I figured out pretty quickly and let go the idea of steering with a raised engine. Instead I made it to easily disconnect then raise the engine.

Too bad, looks like you had everything installed including shift and throttle.

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 10/19/2007 22:26:47

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Response Posted - 10/21/2007 : 22:57:59

I found the voltmeter in WalMart next to the riding mower batteries. 15.49 and very accurate (shows within .02 volts of my Fieldpiece meter). Good tip, thanks.

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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 15:18:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Blackburn
 You mean that it is blocked when the motor is raised and you try steering? If so, this is what I figured out pretty quickly and let go the idea of steering with a raised engine. Instead I made it to easily disconnect then raise the engine.

Too bad, looks like you had everything installed including shift and throttle.
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It is blocked by the right and left side of the motor base while the motor is down. When the motor is up, I could release the attachment, or I could leave the motor down, if it would steer properly

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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 15:22:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by piseas
 where did you get bimini? is it rail mount? what are dimension?
looks great.

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I will get the information for you next time I go up to the harbor. The two pictures below show how it is attached to the boat.

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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 15:42:10

I guess you mean that those long throttle rods hit the side walls where the engine is mounted? Could you mount them backwards somehow si the rods point aft?

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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 15:52:57

Looks like those long throttle/shift rods get in the way even without a rudder-outboard link. Bummer.

I was planning to add the pedestal outboard controls this winter for my Honda. I sure hope it doesn't have the same configuration. It seems like an odd design from Nissan.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 10/22/2007 15:53:48

Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 17:08:23

Randy, I remember this earlier post showing a honda retrofitted with the remote throttle and shift cables. Everyting was inside. I think you were part of the discussion too.

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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 17:13:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Blackburn
 Randy, I remember this earlier post showing a honda retrofitted with the remote throttle and shift cables. Everyting was inside. I think you were part of the discussion too.
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Found it. Search the C250 forum using "Edson Dual Control Motor Control"

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 19:16:46

OK Steve. Four things.

First, I hate it when I am reminded that the question I brought up has been addressed in another thread that I participated in.

Second, I hate it even worse when it turns out that I initiated said thread.

Third, you are a programmer, man. Post the link, not the search criteria.

Fourth, looking at those photos I am more worried than ever that the control cables will get in the way of a full turn. That OB in the pictures is mounted on one of those brackets that puts it back about a foot. Will the OB turn if it is mounted on the transom??

Here is the link so you don't have to run another search.

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15663&SearchTerms=Edson,Dual,Control,Motor,Control"]Steve's Link[/url]

Edited by - Nautiduck on 10/22/2007 19:17:41

Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 19:50:39

LOL. No worries Randy you're still dizzy from the traumatic event from all that rust eating away at your stainless steel.
Give it time, give it time...you'll come around.

Let me repost both pictures so we don't have to go back and forth:
EZ-Steer

Honda Internal remote cables

Overhead view of my link installation

Firstly, I find the EZ-Steer installed too low for a quick disconnect, unless you can raise and disconnect. However the engine is mounted on the STAINLESS (very shiney) transom extension which seems to give it much more freedom. Since the ending pivots a full 90 degrees (I estimate) then no more than 45 degrees is required full starboard or full port which should'nt pull on the wires too much (turn port and the engine revs up). Hard to say how flexible these wires are but since it is built to turn fully you shouldn't have any problems.

That being said, one must think of where you will mount the EZ-Steer. On my modification I used the arm method. If you would use the same arm method imagine how far it would need to extend aft to compensate for the transom extension (would be kind of ugly actualy). I'd need to see it in person. But from my overhead picture it is easy to imagine the engine moved back and how difficult it would be to install an EZ-Steer or any type of link really.

However I saw a smart installation where the guy had 2 lines (ropes) connected back to his engine and found it quite simple. It could work. Have a look at this video: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX5AgF99huQ"]Power Tiller[/url]

I wonder if we could attach a block on starboard like he did? Kind of a hybrid between a hard and soft link.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 21:13:58

Interesting product on that video. I think I am giving up on the EZ Steer idea, just too much hardware, not elegant.

At this point in time here is what I am concerned about. Look at this photo from the other thread. Imagine the OB mounted directly to the transom, without that extension (beautiful SS!) and I am not convinced the OB will turn to port without those cables (which I assume are reasonably stiff) hitting the side of the OB well and stopping the turn.

See what I mean. That could kill my dual control at the helm project. Has anyone out there done the cable controls WITHOUT that OB extension mount???

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/22/2007 : 22:57:08

Sorry to have shifted the topic of this thread. I have started a new thread on the topic of outboard remote controls.

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