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stampeder
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Initially Posted - 10/24/2007 : 20:48:51

Luff = 27' 2"
Leech = 24' 3"
Foot = 12' 5"

These are the dimensions I've given Lee Sails for the 110% Hank-on Jib I'm ordering. (The dimensions as listed in the manual) Should I make any Modifications to these dimensions?

Also, would you want a camber stripe and or tell tale window on a 110 jib?
Advice, comments, suggestions please.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/24/2007 : 21:52:18

Cruising Direct's ad lists a 110 Std Rig hank on dimensions as:
Luff = 27.16'
Leech = 24.58'
Foot = 12.82'
LP = 11.5'
So your dimensions are very close.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/25/2007 : 06:31:19

A draft stripe will help you figure out where to place your genoa cars. Tell tale windows are very nice and allow you to see your trim regardless of the light. What weight are you going to get? How high a clew? You could easily get a 110 with a full hoist which would give you more power with the same ease of handling. Remember that we are headsail driven and under canvassed by design so a "stock" 110 is not much power.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 10/25/2007 : 13:31:31

What would the dimensions of a full hoist jib be? I don't know how high the clew would be - how high do I want it?
I know you've referred to a 'deck sweeper' ... is that what you are suggesting?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/25/2007 : 22:17:14

I believe I would take a tape to the boat and measure the hoist that I wanted. What ever the hoist is for a 150 should be right for full hoist. I have always thought a deck sweeper with full hoist is called a blade; anyone? The question to me would be what the 110 is for. If it is for high wind then a normal 110 is probably the right idea, but if you are after a short LP to ease handling then getting as much sail area for a given LP might be the right thing to do. A sailmaker should be able to help you decide. Does Lee have sailmakers that you talk to or just order agents? This is where the people who have a local sailmaker are really lucky.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 10/25/2007 : 23:27:37

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The question to me would be what the 110 is for<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Answer: High wind, and those days that easy crusing is preferable to using our 150 Genoa. Did not use the Genoa once this year. Although, there were lots of days that our 110 jib was underpowered.

I do not know what the LP dimension would be. I'll ask the Lee Sails order taker - he's a member of our local sailing club and is a good guy around the lake. He sails a C250.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">take a tape to the boat and measure the hoist <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Would that be the same as measuring the luff edge from tack to head?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 06:46:11

You could measure your 150 tack to head and get a full hoist number, by taking the tape to the boat you could more easily visualize different hoists with the Lee guy. That is cool that he is at the lake. Of course your scenario is why a lot of us use a 135 on a furler. However I really miss a clean entry on a high wind sail, I used to sail in the high 20s a lot and now it is no where near as much fun as it was when I had hanks. I can't pinch and feather with the furler even though I specifically designed the 135 to be as clean on the furler as possible. (Extra flat and a dacron sunshield instead of Sunbrella so it furls cleaner.) I used to use a J24 blade as my high wind weapon, they are about 85% on our boats, like I said, I really miss it.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 11:03:02

Thank you for the clarity Frank.
We're putting Labarca to bed for the winter this weekend, so this is a good time to make measurements.

The Lee sail looks to be an excellent choice for high wind. Because of our venue, I'm more concerned with having the right sail for high wind, than for moderate winds.
The concept of ease of handling combined with and countered by getting as much sail as possible up, is exactly what I've been struggling with. At the same time, I don't want to re-invent the sail, or the wheel.
I will add a camber stripe to my order, but not the windows.

And David; thank you for the heads-up on the LP. That measurement is news to me.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 11:47:38

[url="http://www.cruisingdirect.com/LP_Measure.htm"]What is an LP measurement?[/url]

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 10/26/2007 : 12:06:34

So Frank you brought a point I'm curious about.

I realize this is a theoretical question but assuming everything was equal except that one boat has a furler and the other a hank on sail of the same size, would the boat with the hank on sail be faster than the boat with the furler?

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GaryB
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stampeder
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Response Posted - 11/05/2007 : 11:06:31

More questions - I've asked for a full hoist 110 jib, with lifeline height clew. 5.93 Challenge High Modulus cloth. Reinforced webbing and leather covers at all corners. Camber stripe.

Frank, I've noticed in your signature photo that your foresail is not full hoist and it appears you have a deck sweeper.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/05/2007 : 12:52:45

I was using a j-24 150 in that photo, my current sail is a full hoist 135 with a low clew.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 11/05/2007 : 14:21:56

Thank you!

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