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Cavitating
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Initially Posted - 10/28/2007 : 20:55:09

Could it be possible to have a shower drain and pump on a 250 WB?
I already have a pressure system with a shower head at the stern of my 250 but sometimes, the air is too cold or there are too many boats in the area and the admiral cannot take a shower outside.
Would there be enough clearence between the head floor and the water ballast tank so that I can install a shower pump system, probably in the port under seat locker?

Any ideas, or suggestions?

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 21:59:21

What are you using to heat the water?

I don't have the water ballast but in the wing version I think a drain hole cut into the head near the door would drain into the bilge where a pump could pump it out. So you could sit on the toilet and shower. AN interesting idea but the Admiral would require warm water.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 22:02:27

Don't know about the WB, but the WK it works great. There is plenty of room for a drain into the bildge.

Head drain to bildge

Bildge pick-up

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 22:04:21

If I recall correctly, it has been done and noted once on the forum but I've no details.

I'm not sure the wood panels will survive constant repeated wetings... but if the bottoms were painted with some clear silicone, I think they should hold up to an occasional shower.

I thought about the project... but decided a tea kettle of hot water in the lav sink offers a warm bath compared to a cold water one coming from a shower spigot.

Another option is a circular shower curtain hung on the main halyard with a loop around the backstay.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 22:33:03

Unless you plan to be scrupulous about cleaning your bilge, I don't think draining your shower into it is such a good idea. The soap & body oils would would be difficult to clean in there, and pumping it out isn't going to keep it clean. I don't know if there's an area beneath the head for a sump, but there are other options that I've considered.

Coleman makes a flash heater that you could use to heat water, and they also make a pressure shower arrangement. Cabela's has similar stuff available. My thought was to use this while standing or sitting inside a kid's inflatable pool, one about three feet across. I'd locate it directly underneath the hatch with the hatch up and the shades down if you needed privacy. There isn't enough room in the head to do this, and there's no way to surround the porti-potti/head to keep the water contained. It's too cold here in the PNW to shower outside about 85% of the time, however if it were warmer, Coleman & others make shower enclosures you could suspend from a halyard on the foredeck or something & use a sunshower. The enclosure would provide privacy and the sunshower provides a pretty decent warm shower.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 10/28/2007 : 23:18:06

How about a bath? We bought one of those big plastic containers at Walmart and use it as a bath. You only need about 6 inches of water in there.

I was also consdering a recirculating shower. 12V pump with foam filter (aquarium type foam filter), smaller plastic container base (2' X 2' X 10 inches high) to stand in and round shower curtain and telephone shower head. Put about 3 inches of hot water in the base and start the thing up. Once your done just put the shower head into the sink and drain it out and clean the filter.

You don't need that much water because all you're really doing is simply rinsing off soap and body oils. When considering the amount of body oil into the 3 inches of water, it's almost nothing. No worse than taking a bath at home. Have a look at the [url="http://www.wowshower.com/howitworks.htm"]WOW shower [/url]

But before I get into this project, I'll have to finish off the other 50 current ones. LOL.

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 10/28/2007 23:22:56

Cavitating
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Response Posted - 10/29/2007 : 07:21:35

I am in Central Florida and I don't really need to heat the water. It's the cold wind that bothers if you are outside plus the privacy issue.
I don't want to drain the water into the bilge, I would like to have a shower pump system so that I can pump it out as I shower. My main issue would be finding the exact location where I can put a drain on the head floor without having problems with the water ballast tank. The shower would be wiped dry right after showering so I don't think I would have any problems with the wood panels, at least short term.

I did a search about this project but could not find any information on a water ballast model.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 10/29/2007 : 07:38:38

On the WB, there is only about 2" max clearance beneath the head floor and the top of the WB tank/hull, and the water would have to flow aft to the bilge.

Thought about it, didn't like it, and the headroom is unforgiving.

So... we bought a SunShower from Wallysmart, There really is no need for heating the water, but just in case.

I'm going to make a shower curtain that will hang off the boom for privacy.

An alternative is a total cockpit enclosure! There's a challenge!

paul

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SEAN
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Response Posted - 10/29/2007 : 19:11:25

heres are try at some privacy , We take them big pillows and put them in the stearn seats . we have a shower too

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 10/29/2007 : 19:56:42

Sean, your setup is truely admirable. I really like the wheel with small table and long pilot seat. The winches you setup aft must be wonderful for singlehandling. All lines lead back with those rope clutches. I think I'm going to use this picture for my future plans.

How is controling the main? I currently have a tiller, and with the main full out, the line is let all the way. I'm guessing for wheel piloting you use a longer main line and put a knot where it has to stop?

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 10/29/2007 19:59:07

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Response Posted - 10/29/2007 : 20:51:05

Steve ,

I thought about putting a triple block on , in heavy winds you need some muscle too pull it in .plus I moved the the connetion point forward on the boom , for more room .
but a triple block might be more drag in light air .

the line is pretty long I have hooks on the side of the peddestal gard for it .

everything on my boat is a little from everybodys elses boat !!
thats what makes this a great site

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 10/29/2007 : 23:09:22

Shower water in the bilge is not a problem if you don't leave it there overnight. We use a sun shower (8 gal) and run the hose in the top of the door. The water is very hot until the Sun goes down then it gives up a great deal of its heat in about three hours. Just about perfect at shower time. When finished, we pump the bilge rinse and pump again.
When its hot, like Florida is summer evenings, the hose hooked to the blaster pump, nozzle set on shower and swimsuit work fine in the cockpit.

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