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seabiscut
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Initially Posted - 11/18/2007 :  13:46:36  Show Profile
Hello!
We unsteped the mast yesterday and it scares me to death. It was all over the place. I need a diagram for an a-frame. We have been using a line hooked to uphall to the bow,back to the wench and it worked fine on our 22 but with the 25 it is to much mast. Could some one get me a link for a diagram so my husband can make one. I have looked and must not be looking in the right place. What do you think? gin pole or a-fram.
Thanks you are all the best, I love the help
Joan
Joan
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/18/2007 :  20:14:18  Show Profile
Joan,

This might help. It's in the technical tips section.

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/bearsad1.asp"]Mast Raising[/url]
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stampeder
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Response Posted - 11/19/2007 :  23:55:10  Show Profile
try the search function above and to the right.


search for: 'a frame'
exact phrase
all forums

In addition to the link provided by DLucier, the past discussions may help.
Let us know if you have any questions.

Off topic: I had a wonderful little dog named Sea Biscuit.
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SJ
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Response Posted - 11/21/2007 :  11:08:31  Show Profile
I to lowered the mast this weekend, but sounds like mine went a bit better. What I do is first create a gin pole set up with the spin pole. I attach it to the mast and run four lines to it. The first two being the jib sheets to stablize the pole horizontally. The third being the jib halyard and the forth being the main sheet, which is also attached to the stem fitting. I dosconnect the two lower stays and loosen the uppers. Then disconnect the back stay using the main halyard then to stabilize. Then the head stay is disconnected. The rig is then ready to lower. I also made a mast crutch to catch the mast about 9 feet off the cockpit floor. This takes the pressure off the tabernackle so you can disengage the pin. The crutch also has a roller on top, bow roller form WM, that I then roll the mast forward to the pulpit and lash down. The whole operation from start to finish was about an hourish. I did have two other guys helping me this year.

SJ
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MattL
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 :  17:33:32  Show Profile
This may seem like an inconsiquencial (SP, my wife is the English teacher) thing, but one of the first steps I take when raising or lowering is get rid of all non essiential things in the cockpit or on the deck. That is make sure the mast is stowed all extra lines are stowed, etc. Keeping it clear makes it less likely for you to trip or slip on something. Next is practice, practice, practice... Go over it in your head till you are sure you understand all the steps. Another good thing is to try and get someone there that has done it themselves a few times. I live in central CA and would be glad to help any newbee in the area.
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esailor
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 :  12:19:01  Show Profile
Maybe I have over simplified this because racing E scows I put the mast up and down upwards of a dozen times a season.

On the C25 I just shackle the main sheet to the jib tang at the bow and the other end to the jib halyard. After pulling the forestay pin one guy lets the main sheet out as a second is holding the mast and walks it back. The only minor tricky part is stepping off the cabin into the cock pit and that is no big deal. I lower it to about 3 feet off the stern rail and hold it while the first guy unhooks the butt of the mast and walks it forward to the pulpit. Total time of job from unhooking all lowers and dropping it is about 15 minutes. I am going to make a crutch to catch the mast so I can eliminate the stepping off the cabin. The walk down is very easy as the main sheet has all the weight. A third person to catch the back of the mast would make it even easier.

Pushing it up the procedure is reversed and we find a necessary third on the cabin top make it a snap.

We have our first snow and the boat came out only 2 weeks ago. Stretched the season to the limit.

Regards,

Pete
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stampeder
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Response Posted - 12/12/2007 :  12:40:32  Show Profile
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display& Product_ID=636& CFID=8538674


here is a mast-up. I don't use my A-frame anymore, but I rely on this guy to catch my mast and to make it a whole lot easier to raise it.
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 12/12/2007 :  20:54:46  Show Profile
Stampeder,

What size tubing did they use to build your mast-up. Is it 1"?

GaryB
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Kemah, TX
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stampeder
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Response Posted - 12/13/2007 :  12:08:45  Show Profile

My best estimation:
heavy guage steel 1 1/4" square tubing.

The link I show above is from CD's catalogue - however - mine looks to be homemade by the PO. It is very sturdy and heavy. It could easily be made in Highschool shop class or by anyone with a basic welder. It could probably be made without a welder.

If you want pics I can have them in about one week.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/13/2007 :  14:45:20  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
I use two mast-ups on the hard to support my tarp.


It works well for mast raising on the trailer but I usually raise in the slip so I don't use it as much asI could.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/13/2007 :  21:29:15  Show Profile
Beautiful boat Frank. What do you use for a tow vehicle?
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/13/2007 :  22:00:29  Show Profile
Love that shine!
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/14/2007 :  07:58:51  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
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Tolly
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 :  16:39:15  Show Profile
OK maybe I am wrong on this but my mast looks like it tilts forward with a swivel pin in the front of the boot. From what I am seeing here on all your boats they go backwards. I know my 22' does but am I looking at my boat wrong? IT is a 77 model
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 :  18:56:10  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
The mast pivots at the center of the extrusion, some take it forward most take it back.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/17/2007 :  21:55:38  Show Profile
I look at it this way, there's more boat length behind the mast than there is in front of it. I lower mine toward the stern.
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Tolly
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Response Posted - 12/28/2007 :  10:43:06  Show Profile
Turns out that it does go backwards, (looking stupid) figured that out after it was about half way leaned forward and it decided to come out. Thank goodness it was not that heavey and one guy was able to catch it and hold it till we could get there to help him.
After making the repairs that were needed to the mast we had to bear hug it back into place and secure it.
Live and learn I guess, oh well no damage and it is fixed now. Will know better next time
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