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Second Wind53
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Initially Posted - 12/05/2007 : 10:07:05

Can Coaming pockets be installed on boats that don't have them?

We have a early 1995 250WB that has no Coaming Pockets and I can see that they would be handy for storage or cut down the crap floating around the cockpit.
Have there been leaking issues on them.

Of course everybody knows the 250 leaks from the main hatch yet our boat has no snaps or cover. Got to get on this issue too.

Peter

95 250WB #90
Vancouver, BC

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 11:40:39

The coaming pockets are great. Ours don't leak a drop. They are available from West Marine and probably other sources as well. The WM version is smaller thatn the ones that come with C250's though.

[url="http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/17724/377%20710/0/coaming/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=coaming&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=coaming&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=2&subdeptNum=374&classNum=375"]WM Coaming Pocket[/url]

Edited by - Nautiduck on 12/05/2007 11:43:50

Second Wind53
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 12:21:40

Randy, are the ones in your boat more than just a cutout in the Coaming with a trim strip.
You would think that all the boats are similar construction and the pocket is only cutout and trimmed for the option.
The ones from West Marine look nice too.

Thanks

Peter

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KBeazley
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 13:02:55

Peter

In this past 2 months I have cut out comming pockets in my 250. Being an early model it had it as an option which my PO had not ordered. I needed to install coamming winches and to access the bolts I found the coamming pockets gave me the best access possible.

Long story but when I first investigated to drill I discovered by looking inside and underneath the coaming wells that Catalina had glassed in the pockets, they had just not cut them out from the outside. I did so with a rotary saw and template and discovered they were also finished inside. I also finished out my cutouts with trim moulding(Taco Marine makes this product for most places {http://www.tacomarine.com/cat--Flexible-Vinyl-Trim--cat_flexible_vinyl_trim.html}) or (http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0023127016311a.shtml) shows a picture of it. West Marine also handles this product. Catalina also sells the stock trim rings but for cost I did not go that direction.

I can send photos this evening when I get back home.

Ken

Edited by - KBeazley on 12/05/2007 13:20:01

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 13:22:42

Peter the ones that come with the 250 are quite large, much larger than the WM version. Looks like Ken is on to the solution for you. rk

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bear
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 14:53:55

Peter, I have S/N 89, don't you have the snaps installed for the tent enclosure?

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Second Wind53
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 15:23:49

Not at all. I'm looking to measure Henk's boat for the snaps and make up a cover since we are close together here in British Columbia.

My guess is this boat was bought completely bare, no options. We do not have the poptop canvas either. Have to send another email to Catalina for the price for it.

But in the short term we need to make up the hatch canvas to keep dry.
Thanks for the responses.

Peter

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 17:38:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Second Wind53
 We do not have the poptop canvas either. Have to send another email to Catalina for the price for it.
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Peter,
I contacted Catalina 2 years ago for a quote on the poptop.
"The pop top frame is part #29120 at $99"
"The pop top curtain is part #80375 at $300"

I decided to pass on it. I have the WK so I have a good amount of room, however if I had the WB I would surely want the poptop.

BTW
I keep the boat in the lake year round. I have no covers or tarps covering the hatch area and have no leaks from either hatches or coaming pockets (one of the lucky ones I guess).

Edited by - Tom Potter on 12/05/2007 17:41:53

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 18:49:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Second Wind53
 Not at all. I'm looking to measure Henk's boat for the snaps and make up a cover since we are close together here in British Columbia.

My guess is this boat was bought completely bare, no options. We do not have the poptop canvas either. Have to send another email to Catalina for the price for it.

But in the short term we need to make up the hatch canvas to keep dry.
Thanks for the responses.

Peter
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You can measure Henk's boat if you like but snap placement is best done in real time on your boat. By all means get an idea of where they go and how many you should have and how they do it at corners and such but you should install the snaps on the boat and on the tarp at the same time and one at a time.
Get the Vice Grip snap installer
http://www.sailmakerssupply.com/prod_detail_list/43

If you already have vice grips then save a ton of money here
[url="http://www.technologylk.com/search.aspx?mNum=TS11K"]adapters[/url]

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 12/05/2007 18:54:49

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 19:21:46

I respectfully disagree with Tom.

We find the poptop enclosure essential for cruising. $400 is spendy but worth it for the extra headroom and ventilation.

Like tom, our C250 does not leak at all and we have no covers on it.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 12/05/2007 19:23:10

KBeazley
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Response Posted - 12/05/2007 : 22:46:38

Peter the coaming pocket I promised a picture of.

When I measured for the winch holes prior to drilling them I measured from stern life line post forward, then went inside and measured underneath the same distance. The post bolts go all the way through. It is here I discovered that I could not see forward past this area because some pockets or at least fiberglass wells were present. Contacts with Catalina confirmed what these were. I then took careful measurements from underneath the length of the boxes and depth. Catalina's pocket frame was I believe is 17 inches. From this I measured three times outside and then made a jig for a spiral saw to follow. Following screwing the jig into place, I prayed then cut! Wow it worked!!

Write here or E-mail if you need further help.

Ken

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JohnMD
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 07:51:39

Did Catalina say if all the early models have pockets under the glass (I have hull number 2)? If they're already there, that's a really nice upgrade. Did your hand shake just before you cut a huge hole in your cockpit?

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KBeazley
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 08:49:36

Yes to shaking and many prayers. Catalina just said many had them installed... what this means I do not know. I found easy to remove underneath the aft wall that hides the battery area and slide up in there and look for them. I'll take a picture this afternoon to post what I am talking about. Maybe this will help.

Basically if you can see your top of your coaming well where the lifeline post bolt through from aft forward with no interruption you do not have them installed. On mine it was obvious they were there I could see that some fiberglass was done then I could reach underneath and feel that it went back up. On the port side I could see the full length. I hope they are there for you also!

Ken

Edited by - KBeazley on 12/06/2007 08:51:34

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 14:24:39

If you don't have the pockets alredy built in here is another option from WM. This unit is large than the one I posted earleir.

[url="http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&keyword=6871503&jspStoreDir=wm51&productId=151530&resultCt=1&catalogId=10001&ddkey=SiteSearch"]Pocket with net[/url]

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:27:08

With a depth of only 3 5/8", it isn't verify deep.

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willy
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 15:32:30

Ken,
This is slightly off topic as my boat came with coaming compartments. I am really interested in the winch you have installed. I am thinking of mounting rotating spinlocks (for easier jibsheet management when single handing) where your 5 holes are drilled for your winch. It seems like it should be a straightforward install...drill through the topside,use some silicon, put a backing plate on the ceiling of my coaming compartment and thats that. Did you mount the winch there? Do you see any flaws in my logic?
Willy

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 12/06/2007 : 20:44:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by willy
 Ken,
It seems like it should be a straightforward install...drill through the topside,use some silicon, put a backing plate on the ceiling of my coaming compartment and thats that. Did you mount the winch there? Do you see any flaws in my logic?
Willy
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Willy,
Thats what did, simple straight forward like you said.

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frogger
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Response Posted - 12/07/2007 : 10:48:31

No leaks in boat anywhere, original coaming pockets or top. Just be sure you have clearance for the winch handles to work.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 12/07/2007 : 13:46:55

Tom, I it looks like you moved the 16ST winches to the coaming and have a simpler, less costly, winch for raisng the main. Correct? How do you run your lines to the coaming winches? The Admiral likes to read while we sail so if I set up for single-handing she can relax.

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Response Posted - 12/07/2007 : 16:14:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Tom, I it looks like you moved the 16ST winches to the coaming and have a simpler, less costly, winch for raising the main. Correct? How do you run your lines to the coaming winches? The Admiral likes to read while we sail so if I set up for single-handing she can relax.
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Yes I moved the ST16's off the cabin top to the coaming and put #6 on the cabin top for things like raising the main etc.

I used a stanchion eye on the upper stanchions and used a stanchion block on the lowers. If I had to do over I would use stanchion blocks on both. You can adjust the block up or down on the stanchion to get a good angle so your jib sheets wrap on the winch.

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