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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/30/2008 : 11:31:07

Great stuff! Especially #21 and #23 (note the Catalina).

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Turk
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Response Posted - 02/02/2008 : 07:50:54

$800 for the whole shoot sounds expensive until you realize the amount of work that goes into it. I am an amateur photographer with a 12 MP SLR and a nice set of professional lenses. I also own processing software and have spent lots and lots of hours working on images. We shoot RAW not jpg and the images have to be processed (not unlike developing film in the old days) to get a final product that is cropped, color corrected and adjusted to be considered finished. All that takes time even with new batch processing software like Lightroom from Adobe that I recently purchased. I've shot 2 weddings and believe me, after all the hours in the "darkroom" I really feel for those guys out there doing this for a living. He probably shot 3 times the amount of photos than what you saw on the website and processing them took even more time. When you purchase them he will probably spend more time adjusting them and getting them into the format or size you need to print them professionally. You can order the images yourself, but without the RAW image, you cannot further "process" them.

Starting out in the sailboat shoot business, I would say I would have to charge at least $300 and hope more than one customer would bite on that days shoot. That said I would do yours for free and there's the rub. I get ask all the time to do weddings and family portraits and other shoots, but most people don't realize how much work it really is. If my photography is to stay a hobby, I have to say "No, sorry" or look at it like a business and charge what I think is fair for my time. That amount is higher than most people would expect.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/02/2008 : 10:09:58

Nuthin ain't worth nuthin till somebody writes the check.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/02/2008 : 11:08:54

Interesting, Turk... When you say "raw" do you mean "bitmap"? (...24 bits per pixel?) I'm sure you put my stuff to shame, but I find that what I can do with s simple editor like MS Photo Editor or Picassa and 5MP jpegs is phenomenal--cropping, leveling, adjusting brightness, color, contrast... Indeed even that takes some time--I usually just do a few of the better shots--but the results are so much better than I used to get with my analog SLR, prints are great with photo paper on my little inkjet, and viewing on a screen is so much better than looking at little prints! Film is ancient history!

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djn
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Response Posted - 02/02/2008 : 11:50:40

Here is a couple pics or us racing our new/old boat a fellow racer took.

And here is a link to my picture page showing pics from our trip bringing the new boat from the North Channel of Lake Huron down to Lake St. Clair.

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/djnagle/Shady%20Lady/

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Turk
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 14:14:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Interesting, Turk... When you say "raw" do you mean "bitmap"? (...24 bits per pixel?) I'm sure you put my stuff to shame, but I find that what I can do with s simple editor like MS Photo Editor or Picassa and 5MP jpegs is phenomenal--cropping, leveling, adjusting brightness, color, contrast... Indeed even that takes some time--I usually just do a few of the better shots--but the results are so much better than I used to get with my analog SLR, prints are great with photo paper on my little inkjet, and viewing on a screen is so much better than looking at little prints! Film is ancient history!
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Here is a description:

Camera RAW

Most digital cameras process and compress the pictures you take immediately after capturing the image. This can be helpful, as it keeps the file sizes low (using JPEG compression) and takes care of color correction, including white-balance, tint, and exposure, so you don't have to. However, some people, such as professional photographers, prefer to have more control over how each image is processed. Therefore, many high-end cameras have the ability to shoot in RAW mode. This mode does not compress the images at all and leaves them completely unprocessed.

Because Camera RAW files are uncompressed, they take up more space than typical JPEG images. In fact, RAW files often require 2 to 3 times more space for each image captured. So, you'll want to have an extra-large memory card in your camera if you plan on shooting in RAW mode. But since RAW photos are not compressed, you maintain the full quality of each image. This can make a noticeable difference when printing images, especially for large prints.

Camera RAW files are also unprocessed, meaning all the photo processing is done on the computer. It is like taking a film negative to a dark room to be developed. The RAW file is the negative and the computer serves as the dark room. With a RAW file, you have complete control over the temperature adjustments (for white-balance), tint, hue, and exposure. However, since Camera RAW files are not typical images, most image-viewing programs will not open them. Therefore, most camera companies include Camera RAW editing software with their high-end cameras. These programs allow you to open RAW files, do the necessary processing, and save them in common image formats such as bitmap, TIFF, and JPEG.

While shooting in Camera RAW mode offers a lot of control over your photos, it takes additional software and extra time to open and edit each picture you take. For most casual photography, using the camera's built-in processing is the most suitable option.
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My camera in RAW mode creates an image size of 10-12 MB per image. The additional information allows for the flexibility mentioned above. A simple example of the flexibility would be using your exposure white-balance controls on your point and shoot. If you forget and have your camera set to "cloudy" on a sunny day, the image that you take will not have proper color. You can play with it in photoshop, but it will never approach the quality as if you had set the camera for the "sunny" setting. In RAW, the original information before the camera "processes" the image is kept and can be changed to any setting when you process it in the computer.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 14:28:00

It can make my brown eyes blue!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 16:06:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 It can make my brown eyes blue!
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okay Crystal Gayle

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Turk
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 18:52:19

Still has that long hair!!

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/03/2008 : 19:01:21

only her hairdresser knows for sure

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