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Captain Ballast
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Initially Posted - 02/24/2008 : 11:59:29

due to the rigging and the bow pulpit of Catalina's, do any of you have an anchor bowsprit instead of an anchor roller?

Captain Grabman Ballast of "Queeg"
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Lake Champlain, VT

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 02/24/2008 : 12:52:42

This is what I have. It's an upgrade from the original equipment. I'd install a bowsprit for whale hunting but then Labarca would not fit on the trailer.

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Breezy Cat
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Response Posted - 02/24/2008 : 14:08:06

Check out Bill Holcombs “Bow Roller” tech tip at
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/tt023.asp

I installed the same bow roller, the AR-3, but to starboard.
Easy install with access through the anchor locker. Be sure to use blue painters tape over the area you have to drill so you minimize the chipping of the gel coat. It will be slightly angled but works really well.
BTW – The Assoc. Tech Tips section of the web site has many years of ideas and mods.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 02/24/2008 : 16:58:59

We have the AR-3 installed on our C250. Here is a photo of what it looks like although this is a photo from the archives and its someone else's boat:

I installed ours and access to the bolts was through the round access hatch at the front of the anchor locker. It was a B*TCH getting it done because of the contortions required to get the hand up into the space and put the washers and nuts on.

With the mast raising pole on the C250 trailer, a bowsprit would not be possible.

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Captain Ballast
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Response Posted - 02/25/2008 : 15:51:27

Thanks a lot everyone. Great input, and nice pics. I am going to drill into the deck and insert a hawse pipe to fit 3/8" chain. Looks like I am going to attempt the off-center bow roller vs the bowsprit. However, take a close look at my bow and tell me an AR-3 would work. I just bid on a 21.25" long, 4" wide, 6" high bow anchor roller, I had instant regrets. Sometimes the price is that good. Does anyone have an anchor bowsprit?

(img]http://www.seawolvesmusic.net/PICS/bow.jpg[/img)

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Captain Ballast
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Response Posted - 02/25/2008 : 15:57:56

Here is how I anchor at mooring, it might give you folks a better idea what I am working with. The roller would be for cruising and last minute stops etc

img]http://www.seawolvesmusic.net/PICS/bow_mooring.jpg[/img

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SEAN
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Response Posted - 02/25/2008 : 18:48:17

hey Dakota ,

Selden Mast .com Has a real nice removeable bow sprint .

I couldnt find it on the computer but you can call for a free catalog

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 02/25/2008 : 19:05:38

You've got the original equipment.

Also,for posting pictures, take a look at the Testing Forum for this:
Sticky: How to Post Photos to the Forum 
I use Shutterfly.

http://www.shutterfly.com/

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Response Posted - 02/25/2008 : 20:24:53

Hi Cap... I can't tell what vintage you have... Does your stem fitting include a tang that goes about 6" down the bow? If not, I'd suggest getting Catalina Direct's replacement stem fitting/bow roller combination that reinforces your rig as well as adds the roller. Otherwise, the ones you're looking at are fine. Installing a structurally sound sprit would be tricky given the anchor locker.

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Captain Ballast
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Response Posted - 02/26/2008 : 08:06:53

I have a 1985 Capri 25. I know Capri is more of a racer than a cruiser. I just like to daysail and take a few weekend cruises. I have had a hard time with the Danforth 22 and I want to upgrade to a Bruce 22 so I can leave her overnight without worries. Should I just stow it down below and run the rode like I did before through the hatch. I still havent decided my first course of action. I will be starting this project soon and can use all the advice I can get. I posted another pic to maybe give folks a better idea... please advise

http://www.seawolvesmusic.net/PICS/bow_roller_obstructions.jpg

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 02/28/2008 : 12:59:28

There are several different models of anchor brackets for storing you danforth-type anchor on the bow pulpit available from West Marine, etc.The road & chain can be stored in a 5 gal bucket below.

I don't believe there a similar storage brackets for other anchor types. You may need to add an anchor bow roller, again with the raod in a 5 gallon bucket.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2008 : 16:16:20

skip the Bruce and get a 25 CQR - Pronounced Secure and they are.

sten

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Captain Ballast
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Response Posted - 03/05/2008 : 13:01:49

Thanks for the advice sten. I am thinking having a hawse pipe with 3/8" chain and the anchor in cockpit locker, I'll just have to have some channel locks on deck. For you ocean cruisers, I hope you get a good laugh. It's sounds and it is amature, but whatever works, right?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/05/2008 : 22:44:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Ballast
 ...I am thinking having a hawse pipe with 3/8" chain and the anchor in cockpit locker, I'll just have to have some channel locks on deck...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">All 3/8" chain plus a 22# Bruce? First, that's the tackle for a 36-footer; second, Bruce is very old (and dubious) technology; and third, that combination weighs a ton. That combo will work very well in some conditions, but it could also lead to back surgery and never anchoring out again. 25' of 1/4" chain made to 1/2" nylon is pretty secure, a 14# Delta worked very well for me, and tests show Delta sets better in more bottom conditions than Bruce. Fortress scores very well, too... Google some anchor reviews before you spend $$ on an overweight Bruce, and think about a reasonable length of 1/4" chain unless you're concerned about holding in an exposed area in Buzzard's Bay.

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lewalskim
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 06:36:37

I think that last months issue or the month before of SAIL magazine had a big article on anchor testing. Maybe it was Cruising World. Some interesting results.

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Captain Ballast
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 08:19:14

[/quote]All 3/8" chain plus a 22# Bruce? First, that's the tackle for a 36-footer; second, Bruce is very old (and dubious) technology; and third, that combination weighs a ton. That combo will work very well in some conditions, but it could also lead to back surgery and never anchoring out again. 25' of 1/4" chain made to 1/2" nylon is pretty secure, a 14# Delta worked very well for me, and tests show Delta sets better in more bottom conditions than Bruce. Fortress scores very well, too...
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I agree with you thoughts on my rode. Less $$$ too!

Due to the ultra-light displacement hull of the Capri 25, It swings on anchor. How well does the Delta reset?

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 11:37:11

We use a 16lb Bruce and it is a terrific anchor. Your choice of anchor should be based on the bottom conditions where you will be anchoring. There is no one best anchor.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 12:08:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Ballast
 How well does the Delta reset?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Tests I've read and my experience suggest the Delta is among the best at setting and resetting. My new boat, with lotsa windage forward, dances on the anchor more than my C-25 did, and my 22# Delta holds through the wide swings. However, Randy's right--each type has its advantages and disadvantages in certain bottoms. Delta and Fortress, in tests I've seen, rate well across most conditions. The Fortress is adjustable for mud and hard bottoms, and the Delta seems to be a good choice in grass--one of the most difficult types (although in some places, anchoring in grass is illegal). I have a Fortress as a secondary.

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 12:47:31

ANCHORS

It sounds like you guys are living in the distant past. You may want to check out the 2008 WM catalog on anchors and testing. The newer Rocna and Mason Supreme anchors are wiping the old days out very quickly. You can also use the charts in WM Advisors or other reference material to size your anchors and rodes.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 13:28:34

Practical Sailor does fairly frequent anchor testing, the most recent was in conjunction with Cruising World/Sail, and BoatUS/West Marine are often involved. Use the information at West Marine and your local conditions to choose. I have used Danforths on my last two boats and never dragged and nearly always set in 5 -10 feet (usually 5). They are easy to handle and compact. Your milage may vary. And remember, newer technology is sometimes better and sometimes just newer.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 14:44:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It sounds like you guys are living in the distant past. You may want to check out the 2008 WM catalog on anchors and testing. The newer Rocna and Mason Supreme anchors are wiping the old days out very quickly. You can also use the charts in WM Advisors or other reference material to size your anchors and rodes.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I hate it when that happens. Of course, which anchor is best depends upon what review you read.

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Captain Ballast
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 16:05:43

Great, some more variables into the mix.

Who do you root for, I am starting to see how anchors are like sport teams among sailors.

Delta is sounding nice for the price...

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 18:23:07

Delta still seems like a good value--performance for the buck... And it works well for me and lots of people I know. If $$ aren't your main criterion, I'd probably suggest the Mason Supreme--it has the new roll-bar design (like the Rocna) plus a feature I find attractive: the long slot on the shank that allows the rode shackle to slide up to the head in order to pull the anchor out if it's fouled. (Move the boat toward the opposite direction of the set and then pull.) Seems like a good idea. The Rocna is, by comparison, still a bit of a rip-off IMHO.

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Captain Ballast
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 20:09:49

Here you see quite fickle air. The ketch is pointing into the wind, if you can see my weathervane it also agrees. The Capri however... All relative to an anchor bowsprit :-D

sits on 175lb mushroom in 10 ft of water with 20ft chain and a taylor made bouy

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 20:42:55

But the ketch isn't anchored from the bowsprit--its mooring pennant appears to go to a deck chock. It looks to me like neither boat is into the wind, which is a puff that just came up. Both probably have some swinging to do.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/06/2008 : 22:57:07

The slot and slide seemed like a good idea to me too, until P/S suggested that a 180º swing is an opportunity for self release. With thunderstorms, it is not unusual to have at least a 180º swing. I know that some of the new anchor designs are much better than traditional designs in some situations, but I'll wait until they become traditional.

As P/S says, anchor tests are very specific to bottoms and technique and should only be used as a guide. Common usage in a variety of conditions over time will determine which new designs move up to the traditional shelf. I'm pretty conservative around boats, but it has served me pretty well over the decades.

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