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John Pittman
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Initially Posted - 02/24/2008 : 17:35:52

On page 2 the post check this out refers to a 90 wing keel #6000 sold for the asking price within 24 hours.

So
Frank are you ready to sell?

johnnyp

Edited by - John Pittman on 02/24/2008 22:54:01

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/24/2008 : 19:13:40

At 6'4" I strongly recomend you find an ODay 272, it is a wing. The LE has a wheel and inboard, the non-LE a tiller and OB, they are $13k-$18k occasionally with a trailer. More headroom, more beam, longer berths. I own the perfect boat for my lake, life, and finances, I would be a fool to sell it. The thought of someone offering me money for it terrifys me.

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John Pittman
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Response Posted - 02/24/2008 : 19:30:49

that's what I thought.

I am not really after a wing specifically, I just really like the look of the Catalina 25 and have read that the 87-90 wings have the best cabin space.

I Will admit that I am a bit of a novice and am not that all that knowledgeable on all of the boats out there.

I am basing my decision on getting a Catalina on the fact that there are several in my marina (there is also an older Ody) and they look great and the owners seem very pleased with them, and they are very solid.

My boat history is sunfish

No name wooden daysailer 15',

Coronado 15,

Potter 19

Its seems the best value is the swing keel and the losing cabin space is neglegable.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/24/2008 : 22:59:00

John,

Keep looking a while longer. There's an '89 C25 Fin Keel at Lake Travis, TX. [codehttp://www.sailingtexas.com/scatalina25166.html][/code]. Asking price is $11,500 - No Trailer.

I paid under $10K for my '89 (no trailer) and it was in excellent shape. There are couple of forum members in the Dallas area that paid in the $10K range for there '89's last fall. Their boats were also in very good condition.

One '89 (Andiamo) I really wanted to buy last fall ended up selling for $12.1K without a trailer. It was in great shape also but I feel the prices for these boats should be in the $10K range without a trailer.

I probably would have bought the boat in Denver for $13 - 13.5K since it had a trailer and has spent most of it's life inside a hanger.

Hope this helps! This was the hardest thing for me to do when I was looking but as many of the forum members here told me "Keep looking and wait for your boat - It's out there waiting for you"! I looked for almost 6 months before I found mine. I was looking for a fin keel but ended up with a wing keel. Since I sail in Galveston Bay with an average water depth of probably 8 feet I'm glad I got the wing keel now. I don't worry too much about hitting bottom.

Edited by - GaryB on 02/25/2008 00:03:27

glivs
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Response Posted - 02/25/2008 : 08:05:59

John,
As you've already discovered some of the major draws of a Catalina are the availability of parts and the great opportunity this forum provides to access a friendly community with a wide range of skills and experience. Catalina made great boats in a size and price range that obviously fit many of our needs. Explore as many boats as you can - storage yards in the spring when everyone is working to prepare for launch is a good time to talk with and meet other sailors although boat prices are highest then. Given your height, there will be few places below on a 25' boat where you will be comfortable. I am only 6'1", but on our '89 WK, I am always bent over and very aware of being too large for the interior space. That said, I love our boat and hope to enjoy it for quite some time.

Bottom line, keep looking - whether for a Catalina or not. One thing we did try to understand the market was to keep a simple spreadsheet file listing boats by year and price as we came upon adds and made a scatterplot of our findings ($$ vs. year). The scatter about a trend was surprisingly not that great and it is easy to see where boats in pristine shape with many extras fall in comparison to others. We eventually chose a boat that needed a little work, was on a cradle, and was an '89 because it suited our needs and was less than 100miles distance from us. Good luck finding something soon.

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 02/25/2008 : 12:10:34

Keep looking and make a spread sheet are excellent advice.

I looked for about a year.
Part of my criteria was that the boat be ready to sail yet be in the kind of condition where some TLC would improve it.
I went with a Swing Keel and am glad I did. The Admiral and I talked very briefly about selling this boat and moving to a C250. End result is that we will probably own this boat forever.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 02/26/2008 : 20:16:57

Maybe John was referring to me.
I'm getting prices on doing the bottom now, then I'll redo the teak before selling my 89 wing and trailer. Hopefully up for sale soon.
I assure you it wont go for any 6 grand.
I'll keep it for that price and wait until I get my price. I have more than 6 grand in upgrades in mine anyways.
One can never own too many boats.
My fleet currently stands at 5.
1 kayak, 2 sailboards, 2 sailboats. (does my little tugboat for the bathtub count?)

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/26/2008 : 20:40:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gloss
 Maybe John was referring to me.
I assure you it wont go for any 6 grand.
I'll keep it for that price and wait until I get my price. I have more than 6 grand in upgrades in mine anyways.
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Unless I missed something John was referring to a 1990 C25 hull #6000 that just sold for full asking price of $14,900 in less than two weeks.

http://www.sailingtexas.com/scatalina25168.html

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/26/2008 : 21:48:34

I bought my '89 in Sept 05 for $9750 in very good condition except for the motor which was finicky. I wound up buying a new motor in Jan-Feb06.

Edited by - OLarryR on 02/27/2008 05:03:56

GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/26/2008 : 23:08:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OLarryR
 I bought my '89 in Sept 85 for $9750 in very good condition except for the motor which was finicky. I wound up buying a new motor in Jan-Feb06.
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Wow Larry! You were really ahead of the times getting your '89 in '85! You have amazing powers. What do you see in my future!

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/27/2008 : 05:11:46

You got me ! Which wasn't hard ! I corrected the dates - Love this Edit function.

Brings up a good question....With cars, they start selling the new year models ...I don't know...maybe as early as August of the previous year. So those buying the new model kind of get a jump on obtaining the new year's model especially considering the depreciation that sets in for that first year. So what about boats ...past and present practice ?

I was looking the other day at the Owners Listing for the Cat 25's. For example, looking at the lastyear(s) that the catalina 25 was made, the later the sail number the newer the boat but there are some exceptions. I noticed somewhere around the mid 5800-5900 number range, there are some listed as '89 and some listed as '90 but not sequentially. So...is that because some of the boats sat around at a distributor and so they then identified it as a later year (1990) Catalina when it was finally sold ? or was the Catalina factory actually responsible for how those numbers are a little out of sequence ? Anyone know ?

Edited by - OLarryR on 02/27/2008 05:14:04

Gloss
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Response Posted - 02/27/2008 : 09:21:09

Hey John, me stupid.
I re-read your post and saw that you were referring to a hull number #6000, not $6000
DUH.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/27/2008 : 11:55:43

Hey,

Maybe my #5862 is a '90 and I don't even know it! My new asking price is now $13,500 without a trailer! We can verify the year model after you send me your bank account #, VISA card, SSN, and your address!

Edited by - GaryB on 02/27/2008 11:57:17

Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/27/2008 : 12:10:16

Understanding how Catalina determines the year would be interesting. Numerically I should probably be an 83, but the hull ID says Pearl is an 82. Since it is in the hull ID, it must be Catalina and not something in the distribution system.

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wmsgvine
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Response Posted - 03/02/2008 : 20:43:55

John,

I'm with Gary. Your boat is out there if you are patient. In fact, Gary will tell you I bought his boat! The key is be prepared to pull the trigger when the right one comes along. As to wing vs fin vs swing it probably depends on what type of sailing you will do and if you plan to trailer it. I also suggest that once you buy one, stay off the classifieds for awhile! There is a value to having a boat to sail when the right one comes along.

Good Luck!

wmsgvine
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 09:46:28

The hull number or HIN will tell you the month and year it was manufactured. It is in the last 4 characters of the HIN.

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 10:22:58

If you can find a nice '89 C25 with a pop-top, then you have lots of headroom. And if the boat's for two people, a double bed air mattress (with an electric pump) across the cabin bunks makes for great sleeping. Those who have tried it know what I mean.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 10:35:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JohnP
 And if the boat's for two people, a double bed air mattress (with an electric pump) across the cabin bunks makes for great sleeping. Those who have tried it know what I mean.

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Nothin' like a big ol', queen sized air mattress in the cabin.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 15:41:54

John,

wmsgvine did buy the boat I'd been waiting for but in doing so saved me a couple of grand because I found my boat about a month later and didn't have to ship it across the State of Texas or do anything to it except go sailing.

His is a fin and mine is a wing. I wanted a fin but now that I have the wing I'm not complaining. I can go just about anywhere in Galveston Bay without worrying about running aground. I chased down and then ran alongside a Oceanic 381 on Saturday. I've pulled away from a couple of other C25 fin keels in moderate winds.

In my honest opinion, if you're not all out racing I don't think it makes a bit of difference. There are enough variables (clean or dirty bottom, sail condition, skipper abilities, etc...) that it evens out the differences.

He's also right about staying off the classifieds after you buy!!! There will always be someone with a better deal right after you buy. Don't second guess. Buy the boat that's right (you will know when it pops up) and then go out and enjoy it!

Don - Do you have any type of support under the air mattress or is it just inflated and laid across the seats?

Edited by - GaryB on 03/03/2008 15:44:27

dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 15:51:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 Don - Do you have any type of support under the air mattress or is it just inflated and laid across the seats?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Gary,

First, I have a dinette interior. To support the mattress over the aisle, I simply used the access boards beneath the cushions and laid them over the cushions to span the gap. No muss, no fuss, and no additional materials.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 18:02:06

There were actually three table layouts.
The one on the left below is referred to as traditional and the one on the right as a dinette model according to the parts list with it.

This one is referred to as the traditional model in the sales brochure.

Mine is the traditional model in the upper picture. Which one is yours Don?

Edited by - Sloop Smitten on 03/03/2008 18:09:13

John Pittman
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 18:36:56

Thanks, for all of the advice.
I am going to look at an 83 C25 SR/SK tomorrow that is only a little over 100 miles away!!

Joe, what is the third table layout?

Edited by - John Pittman on 03/03/2008 18:42:14

JohnP
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Response Posted - 03/03/2008 : 20:23:47

With the traditional model table lowered with its seat cushion on top, I put 3 laundry detergent plastic tubs on the floor, cushions on them, and the mattress is supported just fine.

The third table layout is the table that folds down from the bulkhead with the supporting leg.

Edited by - JohnP on 03/03/2008 20:26:01

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