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dmpilc
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Initially Posted - 04/22/2008 : 15:56:19

I'm making the change to all line halyards on both boats, C-22 and C-25. Waiting on the sheaves for the C-25.

New lines and sheaves for the C-22 arrived today; sheaves from CD and lines from Defender. Bought 3/16" Samson Ultra-tech @ $0.52/ft., 65' for the main and 70' for the headsails. Sheaves were $52.75 ($10.95 ea. plus s/h) and the line was $77.49 for a total of $130.24.
Interesting thing is that, after 32 years (it's a 75 boat) only 1 of the sheaves showed significant wear.

Assuming I'm going to like this change, I'll have 2 wire to rope C-22 halyards available for sale - wire part only, 1/8" with thimbles on each end. Wire is in excellent condition, no meathooks at all.

DavidP
1975 C-22 SK #5459 "Shadowfax" Fleet 52
PO of 1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess"
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 04/22/2008 : 17:36:18

Oddly, I also had one bad sheave on my 82 - the forward jib. The sidewalls were chipped away, possibly due to the lateral loads from my furler swivel and raising/lowering the mast with the jib halyard.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/22/2008 : 19:47:01

The wire section makes a good topping lift, add a block to the end.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/24/2008 : 16:30:16

what's the optimum length of the wire part of a topping lift? Mainsail leech minus about 2 ft? Won't 1/8" wire be too heavy?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/24/2008 : 17:23:53

I was happy with mine, very little drag. I don't remember what the gauge of mine was but it really was fine.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 04/24/2008 17:25:23

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 09:38:12

I think I've got it figured out. The wire rope portion of the C-22 halyards from the main and jib are 24' and 25' long, respectively. The leech on a std rig C-25 main is 26' so the longer piece will be perfect to replace the worn out all-rope topping lift on our C-25, especially since it is a TR and the leech is even longer. The leech on the C-22 main is only 23' so I'll have to shorten the other wire only about 2' to use it as the topping lift on the C-22. And I'll take the short leftover piece and make a 15" pigtail to go between the working jib tack and the bow plate to raise the jib up on the C-25 so I can see under it when I'm single-handing.

Anybody have any good ideas on what to do with the wire rope from the C-25 halyards after I change them to all-rope, besides assigning them to the trash/recycle can?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 10:19:22

pitbull leash

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 12:49:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 Anybody have any good ideas on what to do with the wire rope from the C-25 halyards after I change them to all-rope, besides assigning them to the trash/recycle can?
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Yeah, offer it to someone on the Swap Meet forum. Maybe you can save some poor soul who's still using the @#%$# pigtail.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 14:29:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 ...the @#%$# pigtail.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Don... You and I had the same experience?

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 21:58:04

I still use my wire to rope halyards as back when we were racing it was suggested that all rope would be more wind-age and I didn't want to use internal halyards. Since this works I chose to stay with the original lines. A mast winch is used to tighten sails and the only problem is the length of wire which was solved by adding a cheek block for the jib halyard so the wire wouldn't be on the winch.
Dave, what was the problem you had with wire/line halyards? I did add a longer separator at the mast head to prevent a jamb which I found solved the jamb problem of other C25's too. I still have the pattern of the replacement separator when I hear someone having the old problem.

I did cut off the pig tail when installing the topping lift but reinstalled one with a ring at the split of the back stay. Found I needed it for a support point of the boom during setting up and for a strong anchor to keep the boom off of the bimini. The topping lift ended up being a line which would stretch for sail adjustment and shaping. My design was also to fit my single handing and controlling the boom with the quickest securing system became important during a strong wind in a tight situation. A tall rig boom is low in the cockpit on the topping lift.

The left over lines I use for fenders and places where a larger diameter feels good. The dingy has its own dock lines and painter so I don't have to look for a line each time needed. There's a place to use the larger line in a lot of places. I give a set of blocks with a line for blocking the wheels during a launch and retrieve once to the other C25 friends.

Hope you can make sense of my ramblings. I feel real good tonight with my knee drugs. Can't wait to get on the boat.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 22:49:51

I'm not planning to cut off or discard the pigtail on the backstay. I will still use it to secure the boom when I come back to the dock or while we are at anchor. Since I've already purchased the all-rope halyards and replacement sheaves for both boats, I'm going to continue with the project. The C-22 is done, and I've now got everything for the C-25 change-out, so it's next. My jib halyard already leads back to the cockpit and a winch on the cabin top, so I don't have the problem of wire around a mast-mounted winch.

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 23:56:51

My pig tail broke off one evening at the dock with a strong chop in the marina area. The main sheet came loose first then the boom swinging broke off the cable. Amazing the power of wind and water.

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