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Alyssa
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Initially Posted - 04/27/2008 : 21:05:14

Hi everyone. My grandfather gave my sister and I a 1978 25 catalina that's in, uh, pretty bad shape. We decided our first project to take on was the window seals. Does anyone know where I can find some information on window seals? Or where I can buy some? I have a picture of what the window looks like right now, but I think I may be too embarrassed to post it. I will if it will help (especially if I'm not even making sense).I'm not a boat person (yet) so I have no idea what to do.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/27/2008 : 21:26:08

Welcome, Alyssa! You will find this a very supportive community, full of people who have begun in the same stage as you. I have no experience with the window assemblies on the C-25, but I will suggest one source for reference on this and many topics: Catalina Direct is a third-party supplier founded by a Catalina 22 sailor who now is the leading provider of replacement and upgrade products for the C-22 and C-25. They are at www.catalinadirect.com, and have a C-25 Owner's Handbook that is the best $9.95 you'll spend on your boat. It is essentially a catalog of their products, but also offers many suggestions and ideas. Window seals are just one of those products as I recall...

All of that said, if you use the Search function above and look for "window leak" in the C-25 Specific forum, I'm sure you'll find some useful discussions. Not that you won't get some excellent replies right here--I'm just not one of the experts on that. I've given you what I have...

What are your intentions for your new "yacht"?

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/27/2008 21:28:25

quilombo
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Response Posted - 04/27/2008 : 21:33:18

hey Alyssa , I resealed my windows as well, mine is a 78 to, and what I did was remove the interior bezels and then re sealed all around using a caulking gun, you can buy any good quality caulking at your local hardware store or home depot, use the kind you would use around a window. Then what I did is go outside and remove the old rubber , seal that goes around the outside glass and used the same sealer in that area, make sure you get the water based stuff so you can wipe it all off with a rag cause it will make a mess, it comes off pretty fast and then once its dry you can use a razor blade to trim the rest. I did alot of work on my 78 this past winter, so ask away, or email me a guglielmo6160@aol.com would love to share stories with someone else doing the same thing,,
good luck

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Alyssa
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 14:07:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Welcome, Alyssa! You will find this a very supportive community, full of people who have begun in the same stage as you. I have no experience with the window assemblies on the C-25, but I will suggest one source for reference on this and many topics: Catalina Direct is a third-party supplier founded by a Catalina 22 sailor who now is the leading provider of replacement and upgrade products for the C-22 and C-25. They are at www.catalinadirect.com, and have a C-25 Owner's Handbook that is the best $9.95 you'll spend on your boat. It is essentially a catalog of their products, but also offers many suggestions and ideas. Window seals are just one of those products as I recall...

All of that said, if you use the Search function above and look for "window leak" in the C-25 Specific forum, I'm sure you'll find some useful discussions. Not that you won't get some excellent replies right here--I'm just not one of the experts on that. I've given you what I have...

What are your intentions for your new "yacht"?
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Thanks for the help :] As for my intentions, my short term goal: Learn how to sail. :-p Long term goal: Maybe go on a trip somewhere on my boat

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Alyssa
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 14:09:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by quilombo
 hey Alyssa , I resealed my windows as well, mine is a 78 to, and what I did was remove the interior bezels and then re sealed all around using a caulking gun, you can buy any good quality caulking at your local hardware store or home depot, use the kind you would use around a window. Then what I did is go outside and remove the old rubber , seal that goes around the outside glass and used the same sealer in that area, make sure you get the water based stuff so you can wipe it all off with a rag cause it will make a mess, it comes off pretty fast and then once its dry you can use a razor blade to trim the rest. I did alot of work on my 78 this past winter, so ask away, or email me a guglielmo6160@aol.com would love to share stories with someone else doing the same thing,,
good luck

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Well my grandfather did the caulking thing (a long long time ago) and now the windows are in pretty bad shape because the boats gone without care for so long. But thankyou for the advice :]

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 14:32:33

A good way to get qualified responses to your questions is post pictures.

Welcome to the forum - don't hesitate to ask questions.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 14:40:23

Welcome aboard Alyssa, take a deep breath and start by telling us all about the boat that you and your sis inherited, like: stateroom,dinette or standard configuration; keel type, swing or fixed; sail plan, tall or standard; outboard or inboard...etc.
This is how we'll get to know you, and at the signature at the bottom of each entry you'll likewise learn something about some of us.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT, # 3936, Patchogue, N.Y.

'83 swing keel /wing conversion
tall rig
dinette

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Alyssa
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 14:43:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tinob
 Welcome aboard Alyssa, take a deep breath and start by telling us all about the boat that you and your sis inherited, like: stateroom,dinette or standard configuration; keel type, swing or fixed; sail plan, tall or standard; outboard or inboard...etc.
This is how we'll get to know you, and at the signature at the bottom of each entry you'll likewise learn something about some of us.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT, # 3936, Patchogue, N.Y.

'83 swing keel /wing conversion
tall rig
dinette
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I know it has a swing keel! All the other stuff I need to look up what it means before I can answer :-p

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 14:48:09

Hull number - usually the sail number should be on a metal plate below the tiller in the cockpit (the outside area)

rig size - relates to how big the mast is

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 14:49:09

where you sail is also a good thing to add in the signature.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 15:12:05

If the boat is a '78 swinger and has been neglected, the first place I would start rehab would be at the keel. Even though you already own the boat, you might consider getting a survey. This will tell what kind of things to take care of right away. Especially, since you are about to become a real boat person.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 15:29:54

Good point from Davy J if you have the money. If not, some one familiar with the Cat 25 SK could help you start a pretty good list. I highly recommend getting a copy of "This Old Boat" by Don Casey to help you get started. And don't be embarrassed by the condition, recovery has to start somewhere. The more work she needs, the more you will learn. I suggest a very thorough cleaning as a place to start - you don't need new skills, you'll have a better idea of what really needs attention, it doesn't cost much or take to long, and you'll feel better about her if she is a little bit shiny. And a name will make you feel better than "the boat".

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 15:41:19

The funny thing is; I have owned a few businesses, had a few dogs, had a couple of kids and the most difficult thing to name has always been my boats.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 04/29/2008 : 16:38:57

Casey also wrote "Inspecting the Aging Sailboat" Good reference.

Edited by - John Russell on 04/29/2008 16:39:23

skrenz
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Response Posted - 05/01/2008 : 14:01:00

Hi Alyssa. I also am a new owner of a 78 swing keel which was/is "in need of repair" as people like to say. Feel free to email and compare notes whenever. As to the window seals, refer to this page at Catalina Direct
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1055

These are the replacement seals and also there is an attached image that shows how the windows are put together (under additional pictures). I personally don't agree with using just any old sealant. Its important to use the right stuff unless you want to do this every year. The sealant provided in this kit is the right kind of stuff.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/01/2008 : 15:10:55

Here are a few thousand to consider.
http://www.boatus.com/boatgraphics/names/Fnames.asp
http://www.namethatboat.com/popular-boat-names.htm

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 05/01/2008 15:12:43

stampeder
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Response Posted - 05/01/2008 : 15:34:51

I've often relied on children and Grandparents for naming things.
Which explains, perhaps, why I have a dog named Wig, and a cat named Herehere. And of course, a boat named Little Boat (La Barca).

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Alyssa
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Response Posted - 05/01/2008 : 16:56:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by skrenz
 Hi Alyssa. I also am a new owner of a 78 swing keel which was/is "in need of repair" as people like to say. Feel free to email and compare notes whenever. As to the window seals, refer to this page at Catalina Direct
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1055

These are the replacement seals and also there is an attached image that shows how the windows are put together (under additional pictures). I personally don't agree with using just any old sealant. Its important to use the right stuff unless you want to do this every year. The sealant provided in this kit is the right kind of stuff.
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thanks so much! thats perfect

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Deric
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Response Posted - 05/01/2008 : 21:13:54

DavyJ makes a good point about checking the swing keel.

I received my new cable last week for my swing keel from CD. I bought the boat last fall and noticed that a few strands on the cable were broken. No need to take a chance. I picked up a few more keel type items to replace as well; pins, the clevis ball, lifting hardware. Check them out on the web

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 05/03/2008 : 18:08:23

I agree buying the correct parts and seals for your windows, just be prepared to spend alot of time and money and work to do it the right way,
for small leaks, I highly recommend using a good quality caulk, a neat job can be done with some patience and the same result will occur
just keep in mind,if you have rot, or damaged parts, thats another thing, Im just suggesting a good repair for small leaks etc,

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/03/2008 : 23:19:01

For really small or mysterious leaks, there's Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure (at West Marine and others)--a watery material that finds its way into where the water is going, sets up, and viola!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 05/03/2008 23:19:43

Justin
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Response Posted - 05/05/2008 : 08:09:37

Hi Alyssa,

Great to see some other young people getting into this awesome sport/hobby/activity! I have a 1982 swing keel that I have been doing quite a bit of work on for the past couple years. I plan to reseal my windows this season (again) and I read somewhere on here that using automotive windshield sealant is a good solution. I was first going to try the $100 kit from Catalina Direct, but I think the windshield sealant will probably be just as good a solution for a fraction of the cost. I plan to remove the entire frames from the cabin sides, rebed the glass against the aluminum with windshield sealant, and then using a polysulfide (3M 4200 or Boat Life Caulk) resealing the frames to the cabin sides.

Is your boat out of the water right now? How does your swing keel and the hardware look? I replaced just about all of my hardware last year. If you want to see more details, you can check it out here on my [url="http://www.sailblogs.com/member/justinc25/?xjMsgID=32314"]site[/url].

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/05/2008 : 08:33:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Justin4192
 Hi Alyssa,

Great to see some other young people getting into this awesome sport/hobby/activity! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">/illness/affliction/compulsion

Edited by - John Russell on 05/05/2008 08:34:44

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