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williamtbecker
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Initially Posted - 05/06/2008 : 22:39:21

Hi-

I just acquired a Catalina 25 ('78, hull #499). I have a fair amount of work to do on her, but right now I have a question on the Lower Shrouds (The ones which go to halfway up the mast on the sides). The mast is currently down, and one of the lower shrouds is broken and needs to be replaced. The problem is that I don't know if it is the "Forward" or the "Aft" shroud which is broken. The only difference I see between the shrouds is that the broken shroud is slightly longer than the good one attached to the triangle piece. Can anyone tell me which of the two following links is the correct replacement part?

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=595
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=596

Thanks,
-Will

Baltimore, MD, USA

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/06/2008 : 23:23:45

Welcome, Will! The aft (rear) side of the mast has the slot going its full length (for the mainsail). So the aft lower shroud is on that side of the triangle. The forward lower shroud is... well, you get it.

Tell us about yourself, and keep asking... We all learn things here.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 05/06/2008 23:26:37

williamtbecker
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 00:40:27

Sorry for not clarifying.. i know what forward and aft are (While this is the first boat I've owned, I've raced dinghys for about 10 years or so). Unfortunately, the previous owner of the boat took all the shrouds off, along with the mast. There appear to be two more or less identical sets of two shrouds attached to triangular plates which mount up to either side of the mast. One of the shrouds is fraying and bent up, and i'm trying to figure out if it is a fore or aft shroud, since i can't tell which side of the boat either of the sets went on.

Catalina Direct hasn't returned my emails about which shroud is which, so... i figured i'd ask those who own the boats.

-Will

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 07:57:30

Will,

First, welcome to the forum.

According to the parts manual in the Manuals and Brochures section of this website, the aft lower shrouds are 14' 7" and the forward lowers are 14' 4.5". The parts manual doesn't distinguish between tall or standard rig, but I guess we can assume the aft lowers are a few inches longer.

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/manbro/pictures/pc17.gif"]Standing Rigging[/url]

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 09:41:44

Sorry, Will... I didn't mean to talk down, but it sounded to me as if the shrouds were attached to the plate--and I presumed the plate was attached to the mast. And we do get new owners to whom the terms fore and aft are foreign. Don's probably right--it makes sense, based on the sheer, that the aft would be a bit longer. If we're wrong, I'm confident CD will swap it for you.

Again, welcome!

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williamtbecker
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Response Posted - 05/12/2008 : 00:01:03

Dave - Its alright, no worries. Thank you both for the advice. It looks like I need to replace the aft shroud, since the one which is bent up is a bit longer than the one which is OK. I gotta say, as an engineer, making two parts which are only 2.5" different in length doesn't make much sense. Since I'm talking about rigging, I've got to ask another question. I'm not sure what happened to the halyards on this boat, and I know the originals were cable/rope combinations.

Are the all rope halyards available at this website usable?: http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MPSHALYCCM2128&Category_Code=

Also, if they are usable, would it be better (significantly cheaper) to just make my own? I really don't know much about rope except how to tie knots, but if its not too hard i could do it myself.

Thanks for the advice,
-Will

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/12/2008 : 09:43:49

I got my all-rope halyards from Catalina Direct as part of a "kit" for leading lines back to the cockpit. The total price was pretty competitive. You can probably do a little better buying your own rope and tying or splicing the shackles on... I got high-tech stuff because I needed the tension on the furler to remain constant. To make that change, you'll also need new sheaves on the masthead--apparently CD now has those, too. (They didn't when I was doing this.)

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 05/12/2008 09:45:13

ddlyle
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Response Posted - 05/12/2008 : 18:36:45

If I had one failed piece of standing rigging, I would replace the whole lot of it at once. I know, more cost, but the old wire is probably about the same age and ... ...
no-one wants a failure.
You'll feel better.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/12/2008 : 19:55:11

Will, welcome to the forum. I'll second Cap'n Dave. Your boat is 30 years old, and it's likely the rigging is also. I've got an 84 boat. When one of my shrouds goes bad, I plan to replace all of them. I'm in the process of replacing the halyards now, from wire & rope to all rope. Expect to spend about $200. Bought rope and sheaves separately. CD had the sheaves, about $14.50 each, and unless you have internal rigging, you will need to buy 4 to replace all of the wire sheaves. The rope sheaves are slightly wider, for 5/16' line. If you don't buy the complete kit from CD, you will want to buy 5/16" line, Sta-SetX or higher quality (tensile strength). I bought 78' for each, but I've seen recommendations for up to 85'. The length will depend on whether you plan to run the halyards aft to the cockpit and which rig you have, standard or tall. The std mast is 28 ft, the tall rig 30'.

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williamtbecker
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Response Posted - 05/12/2008 : 23:24:27

The shroud didn't break exactly, it was twisted up by, shall we say, a miscalculation on the part of the previous owner when dropping the mast. So i'm just going to replace the one. All of the others look good, no signs of corrosion or overstress that I can see. Does anyone have a link to the CD complete kit for the halyards? I couldn't find it on their products page?

Thanks,
-Will

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 05/13/2008 : 00:01:17

In my CD handbook, page 4.29:
Aft lowers (pair) std rig all years, part #E9005; tall rig is #E1754. Call CD at 1-800-959-7245 to confirm.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/13/2008 : 09:04:23

[url="http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=185"]CD Halyard Kits[/url]

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