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andy
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Initially Posted - 05/15/2008 : 15:36:43

Our lake is ice free....a month late.

We're launching tomorrow.

I guess I won't need therapy after all

Andy Anderson
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piseas
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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 : 15:46:02

Andy, yee haw. Sailing is a lot cheaper than therapy. I know, I was once a therapist.
Steve A

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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 : 16:20:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Our lake is ice free....a month late<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Same here.

Is this global warming? Two years ago I launched May, last year May 10, this year, I will be lucky to get in by the third week.

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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 : 17:34:10

Could be global warming. WX patterns seem to be changing and more violent. For the last 5 years, we've launched in the middle of April. We do have a La Nina now, but I don't know what effect that's having.
They've been having a hell of a time in the south and midwest. Global warming or not, I think the steps we take to slow it will be for the benefit of us all. Too bad the world is so dependent on fossil fuels.

Just thinking about it gives me a headache.

I don't burn much fuel in the boat, but it's a 200 mi. round trip to the lake! Ya' can't win.

Edited by - andy on 05/15/2008 17:55:35

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Response Posted - 05/15/2008 : 22:07:30

Enjoy as our ice is gone too but I still have to have therapy. You lucky guys that are getting out there. Post pictures at least.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 : 06:32:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by andy
 
Global warming or not, I think the steps we take to slow it will be for the benefit of us all. Too bad the world is so dependent on fossil fuels.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yeah, and if we could cap those pesky volcanos that have been popping off over the past 20 years, spewing more C02, S02 and particulstes into the atmosphere in one hour than all the cars and power plants in the world produce in ten years, we could live in a Gore-ian utopia.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 : 08:33:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Renzo
 ...those pesky volcanos that have been popping off over the past 20 years, spewing more C02, S02 and particulstes into the atmosphere in one hour than all the cars and power plants in the world produce in ten years...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">20 years versus 10... Interesting twist on a popular falsehood, but still false. Here's from the [url="http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html"]US Geological Survey[/url]:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Not politics--just facts.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 : 10:16:15

In order to contradict myself on an even more elemental level, I have embarked on a Solar Energy Technician Course. I live in Alberta, land of Fossil Fuels and I sail on a lake that is ice bound for half the year. (seems like a lot longer the last couple years)

The Admiral and I have been walking to work, and today we rode our bikes. My GM 4X4 2500 Gas burner is on the curb.
I nearly got run over by a brand new Nissan Armada this morning. The driver was juggling coffee and a cel phone - he lowered his window and apologized, the truck was new and it seems that he needs more hands (his joke/apology).

I'm off to save the world, by sailing my boat, walking to work and learning how to convert my little house into an off-the-grid island of sanity.

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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 : 11:30:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 ...I'm off to save the world, by sailing my boat, walking to work and learning how to convert my little house into an off-the-grid island of sanity.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">We're in good hands, Mike! My home's heat, A/C, cooking, hot water, etc. is powered 100% by wind, hydro, and landfill methane, but on the grid. I guess I make up for that on Sarge...

...but just to the tune of 12 gallons a week on average over six months. Some stinkpots around here burn more getting out of their marinas (or idling at their docks).

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Response Posted - 05/16/2008 : 11:37:38

Stampeder, Dave

It's glad to hear from people that "get it". Believing in global warming or not is irrelevant. The right wing line has been that it's a normal weather cycle. The lake being frozen a month later this year probably has nothing to do with global warming.

That's not the point. The point is that burning fossil fuel adds to the problem...so does population growth, emerging third world economies, belching cows, volcanoes, yada yada. Some of these things we can't do anything about (belching cows). Some things we can. Like reducing the use of energy that we have buy from people who don't necessarily like us and that the planet is running out of. We have a totally petro based economy. From food production to transportation. Seems to me we can save the environment and our affluent way of life by doing the same thing. After all, even those that think global warming is B.S. don't like to fill their SUV's with $4.00 gas.

Edited by - andy on 05/16/2008 11:39:46

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Response Posted - 05/17/2008 : 07:55:01

OK, OK
Dave you were right, I failed to check my facts before making that flippant comment.

I was thinking more along the lines of massive eruptions like Mt. Pinatubo, which resulted in lowering the world temperature by an average of 1degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) and is believed to have influenced such events as 1993 floods along the Mississippi river, drought in regions of Africa and the third coldest, wettest summer in the U.S. in 77 years during 1992.. But those were only short-lived events. Even the unparallelled expansion of the hole in the ozone that was caused by the eruption seems to have shrunk. Don't get me wrong, I am now, and always have been in favor of conservation and against conspicuous consumption. I am a long time backpacker, bicyclist and sailor. Hell I don’t even have a motor on my dink - I row. Climate change is a fact and humankind contributes to it, just as all organisms change their environment. It’s just that I think the Al-Gore-rithim for Global Warming is over-stated, misapplied and political in nature.

Andy’s comments are closer to the reality. Short-term weather conditions are probably not due to Global Warming and efforts to reduce the use of fossil fuel will, hopefully, have beneficial political and economic consequences (at least for us). As for exponential population growth, the destruction of the rain forests and belching cows we can try to direct and influence change. But whatever we do, things will change. Change is inevitable, it’s called entropy and it’s not political - it’s indifferent. That is not to say that we shouldn’t try to do the right thing, it is human nature to battle against all odds to build a better life. It builds character, and has led us out of the cave, of course it is also what got us into our present predicament.

There was once an island populated by birds that became a party destination for stink-potters. The noise and foul odors scared the birds away and now the island is covered with trash. When only the birds lived there the island was covered in bird sh*t. When the party is over, and the stink-potters are gone, perhaps the island will be repopulated by some divine creature that does not litter. Until then hold your breath - you exhale CO2.

PS: I just ran across this "GLOBAL WARMING LINKED TO FAT"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24666022/from/ET/wid/18298287/?GT1=45002

I think I'm OK - I'm 5'10", 178lbs.

Edited by - Renzo on 05/17/2008 09:16:27

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