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quilombo
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Initially Posted - 06/03/2008 : 23:22:32

ok guys I need one of these, the fitting on the end of the lifeline you see there in the picture, it apparently came loose and fell into the great beyond,
its basically a threaded hoop that holds the life line cable when you , lets say close the door, its the hoop at the end of that stantion
any ideas??? where can I get it, and I believe its reverse thread

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ilnadi
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Response Posted - 06/03/2008 : 23:47:17

http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d309000/e306855.asp
scroll down to "single gate eyes"

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 05:17:41

Hey ! That was pretty good ! maybe we should start a Parts Locator Forum. Only kidding - but ask a question, get an answer ! That certainly is efficient.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 06:12:47

Quilombo, get yourself West Marine, Catalina Direct, and Defender catalogs, and do what the rest of us do: waste vast amounts of time studying all the toys contained therein. You will find all of the boat parts you keep asking about, as well as all the presents you didn't know you wanted, in those wish books. Go hang out in boat stores and play with the gadgets. Make a friend among the staff, so you can go in and ask what something is or how to do whatever.

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 07:50:52

And then after reading the catalogs and creating a list of all the toys you want. Go online and find the best price.

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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 08:00:46

I have some old lifelines but they do not match what you have, not even close. There is not even a threaded end on my lifeline, except at the bow. Sorry.

Ed

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 08:21:25

Since we are on the subject and everyone is in a helpful mood. Does anyone know whwew I can get just the spring for the lifeline gate. It's the spring that holds the locking bail over the hook.

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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 08:21:38

posted by Brooke;<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> get yourself West Marine, Catalina Direct, and Defender catalogs <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I just got the defender catalog and I never thought they'd have so much hardware! very cool stuff/wish book!

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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 16:08:47

Brooke,
just came back from west marine, and I think I have more in my basement than they have there
and as far as your other advise, Ive been doing that for over two years now, so thanks for the advise
but I still need that fitting, so I guess Im going to have go make something up myself, casue it seems with boats, they have a habit of using 15 different diameters and sizes and thread pitches , and reverse threads etc etc,, makes no sense to me, but being in the auto business I should know anything is possible,
I have been working for ferrari for quite some time now, it it takes 15 different sizes to remove the plastic splash shield under the engine so you can drain the oil, so I guess 3 different thread pitches on my life line isnt so big a deal
so at the end of this, I still dont have a fitting and have no clue where to get one,
I called every supplier, every boat store I can think of and all say the same thing,
make a new life line

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 16:36:32

Try [url="http://www.fisheriessupply.com/online/search.asp?N=0&Ntk=All&Ntt=gate%20eye&Nty=1&D=gate%20eye&act=A02&hideprops=1&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial+rel+Inactive"]Fisheries Supply[/url] here in Seattle, or [url="http://www.bosunsupplies.com/products2.cfm?product=LifeLinefit"]Bosun Supplies[/url]. Either one of them may well have what you're looking for, and if not, can get it for you.

Hope this helps.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 00:34:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by quilombo
 Brooke,
just came back from west marine, and I think I have more in my basement than they have there, and as far as your other advise, Ive been doing that for over two years now, so thanks for the advise but I still need that fitting,
I called every supplier, every boat store I can think of and all say the same thing,
make a new life line
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I think what you're looking for is a "gate eye." Go to defender.com and type "gate eye" into the search box. I would be amazed if one of those doesn't fit your need. The sites ilnadi and David referred you to are good, too.

A West Marine store isn't going to stock all the hardware that's in the catalog: my point about befriending a salesperson is that a good one would help find what you're looking for in a catalog and order it, or suggest other places you could look.

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 07:46:06

Brooke,
thanks, gonna look now,, if not a have a secondary plan, I bought a stainless threaded eye hook from Home Depot and will look to have someone stainless weld it to the end of the lifeline threaded rod , and then put shrink tubing over it,
done deal,
I still dont understand why boat makers use so many different thread pitches and sizes,
that particular life line has two different diameter fittings on each enc,

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 07:53:06

checked on the websites, they do not specify what thread pitch, reverse, etc,,
what is it, hit or miss??

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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 08:40:34

I think the gate springs blow up after about a season of use, my gates never had them and I got the boat only a few years old. I've always kept my gates very snug so there is no slack in the lifelines, this way they don't give way when people use them for their intended purpose. I've seen people fall overboard or on the dock because they put their weight on a slack gate and it swung out from under them. Keeping them snug also has the added advantage of keeping them locked by pressure, which precludes the use of finding replacements for those flimsy springs. Why do they use crummy springs anyway? The rest of the gate is plenty stout!

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 09:10:38

The matching piece to the eye is a 'pelican hook'.

Modern example here.
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|297400|312089&id=1034644

Here's examples of the old fashioned kind. Nothing to fail here.
http://www.berkeleypoint.com/products/hardware/pelicanhook.html

http://www.bosunsupplies.com/products2.cfm?product=s0180

>"spring that holds the locking bail over the hook."

??????????

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 09:40:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by quilombo
 checked on the websites, they do not specify what thread pitch, reverse, etc,,
what is it, hit or miss??
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I think most of the dealers have liberal return policies. Order what looks like it will fit, and return it if it doesn't. With West Marine, you can take it back to the store.

Edited by - Even Chance on 06/05/2008 09:41:37

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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 09:55:18

Catalina has used stay material for lifelines instead of true wire rope. I think most stock Catalina 25 lifelines are due to be replaced. My new lifeline out of wire rope are so flexible that using them is a very different experience. The modern Pelican hook is much nicer than the old ones as well. I can't count the number of times the little spring on the old hook has stuck me. (Remember to face the mechanism on all closures to the outside of the boat so people's backs don't inadvertently actuate them.) This is the new type.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 17:53:06

I agree with Frank about the Johnson "over-center" hooks. An added benefit is that they are much easier to open and close than the old pelican hooks, yet more secure. Pricey, but worth every penny.

I had a local rigger custom make my lifelines last year. They must be like Frank's -- much more flexible. There wasn't that much difference between his prices and the stock ones from Catalina Direct, and he made them to-size on the boat. There have been so many small configuration changes on C25s over the years that there's no "one size fits all" lifeline length.

Edited by - Even Chance on 06/05/2008 17:55:02

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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 18:28:39

Brooke,
If you don't mind, what did that cost you to have done?

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 19:01:50

You can get the fittings with resuable 'Swage-Lock' or 'Norseman' style fittings. Don't need a crimping tool to assemble your lines.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|297400|312089&id=1034644

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 21:50:22

ok, after going to west marine again, I found almost the exact fitting, however the hole was way to small,
drilled, tapped and 55.00 later, here it is,, wow,,,, what a hassle

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 21:59:21

thanks all for your help,,,,
still dont get why they use so many different thread pitches
did you guys know that a new life line set up is like over 400 bucks,,,
ya gotta be kidding me
and today I bought some fittings for my tiller tamer,, I bought two cam cleats,, to hold the rope/halyard for the tiller tamer,,,
50.00 bucks,,, again, I gotta say,,, ya gotta be kidding me,,,,,
anyway,, I know stainless is expensive, but I didnt think plastic was,, they were made of plastic,

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 22:02:10

yes Bruce I saw those , but I needed it like yesterday, and quite frankly the prices were , out of control, and had to order,, but they are nice, saw those

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Response Posted - 06/06/2008 : 10:56:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Hopper
 Catalina has used stay material for lifelines instead of true wire rope. I think most stock Catalina 25 lifelines are due to be replaced.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Anyone considering replacing your lifelines with line instead of wire? High tech line is just as strong or stronger for the same diameter, won't rust in hidden places and uses splices and knots for connections instead of expensive swaging. Costs about the same or perhaps a little less.

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Response Posted - 06/06/2008 : 20:33:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 Brooke,
If you don't mind, what did that cost you to have done?
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$ 275, but I used my old Johnson gate latches, which saved a lot of money. It has the cockpit gate, as in the CD deluxe set costing $ 335 (but with returnable/refundable tools).

Bay Area Rigging, Deltaville

Edited by - Even Chance on 06/06/2008 20:42:26

Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/08/2008 : 21:31:33

I'm sure that 3/16" and certainly 1/4" Vectran is strong enough to rip the stanchions out and can tolerate the bends of small eye-splices. The cover provides UV protection, but the safe life will still be much shorter than vinyl covered stainless. I am considering it, but I need to get a better estimation of functional life before I commit.

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