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glivs
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Initially Posted - 06/04/2008 : 17:32:42

I am replacing my halyards and have been looking at how other boats are rigged. How do you attach your halyards to your sails? Do you use a headboard shackle on one or both the mainsail and head sail? Do you attach the shackle with a bowline? Do you change your halyards end-for-end periodically?

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
"Great Escape" 1989 C-25 SR/WK #5972

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 17:48:06

Yes (orginal shackles), yes (bowline in new halyards), and yes (I would have changed end-for-end after five years, but I sold Passage when the halyards were four years old).

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 21:24:28

I like whipped ends, eyesplices and proper shackles; headboard shackle on the main and snapshackle on the headsail. No knots for me.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 06/04/2008 : 22:32:04

That's why he's Frank Hopper and I'm not.

(I think I whipped the ends...)

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 05:59:21

Frank mentioned earlier in some other post about halyards from what was it...Cajuntrading.com or something like that ? I have it saved on my home PC for future reference since I will also be changing my halyards sometime this season. They seem to have these halyards already made up specific for that purpose.

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 08:19:35

For me, the bowline is one of those knots that can work loose. I use a mountain climbing knot called the Alpine Butterfly. I trust it much more than the bowline and it will not come loose.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 15:21:27

The new all-rope halyards have an eye at one end. I transferred both headboard shackles from the old wire/rope halyards to the new ones. both have the pin to keep the shackle on the halyard.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 06/05/2008 : 16:33:40

I use bowlines tied directly to Wichard shackles. I like to cut 6 inches off the end of the line each year (it moves the point that is in the rope clutch). I've never had a bowline fail in this application.

I use Stayset-X for the halyard lines.

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skrenz
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Response Posted - 06/06/2008 : 10:49:17

Tie one on or use a shackle, interesting question. I highly suspect that shackles were originally introduced to the sailing fleet by the racing enthusiasts but clearly now they are de rigor on all production sailboats. Several factors go into this I think: how slippery is the line, how often do you need to hook up, and the question of chafe. If you have a slippery line, like the high tech dyneema line, its real possible that any knot is going to slip loose. Also, if you tie on the sail with a knot, all the wear strain is on the tightly bent spot on the line where it goes through the sail grommet. A shackle eliminates that wear spot because even though you have the line attached to the shackle at a sharp bend, its not grinding back and forth like a sail would, the force is just down.
Also, on the mainsail you rarely in a season tie on and untie the sail. But for the jib, you might be changing sails several times a day. Here a shackle is surely handy and saves a lot of time. I do think that if you are going to use a shackle you should attach it to the line with an eye splice.
Jim, that would be a great one for you, salty as you are. Get Toss's The Complete Rigginger's Apprentice. He explains how to do an eye splice in Stayset-X that even I can understand and do. It sure ends up looking better

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/07/2008 : 15:24:53

Back when we had a C25

When I race with on the really big boat:

When I race on the 32 -

The Jib Halyards are another story. Shackle only on the headsail for quick sailchanges. Spin halyardsgets lightweight shackle or heavy shackle depending on the predicted weather on the bigger boats.

Edited by - Champipple on 06/07/2008 15:27:52

jerlim
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Response Posted - 06/08/2008 : 10:32:21

We're bowlined with a thimble into the headboard. My goal is get the headboard as close to the top of the mast as possible.

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