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OLarryR
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Initially Posted - 06/23/2008 : 05:59:01

Coming to work this morning, got into a discussion with a co-worker inquiring if I went sailing this weekend w/T-Storms predicted and happened (late afternoon/evening). Actually, i was out both days before the T-Storms arrived.

But this got me going on adventure stories from years past. Considering with any sport there are the past adventures to remember, what in regards to sailing was the one story you think of that:
You recall as an adventure but your spouse or others recall it as something they would rather not think about ?

For me it was when I owned my new ODay 23 (1980-1985). My wife and I had stayed overnight in the Oyster Bay Sandhole (a protected anchorage on 3 sides w/room for perhaps 30 boats or more as I recall). In the morning, we had dense fog but it then cleared and we set off to return to Huntington Harbor. I decided to take one long tack to Connecticut and then one to get back home. It was uneventful, we headed across the Sound, but as we were talking, I then realized that as we were getting closer to Connecticut, it did not seem all that closer...the fog was settling back in !

So, here we were, all the way across the Sound in dense fog and the waters becalmed. I started blowing our horn periodically but no one was near us, though, we could hear in the far distance others also blowing their horns. My wife then threw-up twice, donned a life jacket as I started motoring back. It is just then that you really have to count on the compass to set your sights (of course you cannot see in the fog) on getting back to Huntington Harbor. Up to now, there was no reason to ever rely on the compass and so then when you have to, you initially have some doubts about doing so w/confidence...but it I saw no reason to doubt it (and it was accurate).

So...more horn blowing...and slow motoring...not much else. Then we both heard what seemed like a low rumbling noise....like maybe a train ? I blowed my horn again...and that's when we heard this loud bellowing horn returning in kind. I could tell my wife was concerned...I guess i was very much as well. Horn blowing increasing frequency and then we heard someone yell "Can you see us ?" . I then saw a guy on top of something...really big ! But I could not make out or focus right then on exactly what i was seeing. I just turned about as I yelled back "Yes, i see you and I am turning about !". What went thru my mind was back in those days...there was a celebrity's son that had a friend killed when he cut inbetween a tugboat and a barge and met disaster with the tow line. So, I kept heading away for awhile. Then headed back to my original compass couse and gave it some more thought as to exactly what I did see.......Then I realized it was the Port Jefferson Oil Tanker heading east on the Sound !

As we approached Long island, the fog lifted as we just were entering Huntington Harbor ! What a great trip ! But my wife tells it differently !

Larry
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 07:42:24

It is amazing how today we are so dependant on electronic equipment, radar, GPS, and Cell phones to manage our safe passages, when was the last time you had to use your fog horn or ships bell to navigate in fog? Here's a question.

How many bells do you ring for a 25 foot sailboat in fog and how often do you ring it?

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 09:54:17

My most interesting adventure - two days & three nights in a tropical storm on the Gulf of Mexico. 40K winds and 16' seas.

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 10:04:44

Quote: "How many bells do you ring for a 25 foot sailboat in fog and how often do you ring it?"

Dr. Dave Bristle - the other curmudgeon here - probably will correct me, BUT I believe the correct answer is every 2 minutes.

The smartest response is to issue a security call every 15 minutes or so giving your position and advising any concerned traffic to hit you up on 16.... Radar is cool, and for those who have mocked the cape Dory 24 with Radar in their marina, just remember fog is freaking scary without it.

By the way, 365 days of cruising will generate so many scary stories, you will forget how to prioritize. Then you'll relax and realize that they really weren't all that scary...

sten

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 12:07:19

Not a sailing story but nonetheless...

Remote river, accessed by a train jump, running at full flood. One canoe, a four year old, and a girlfriend. The four year old had paddled more miles than the girlfriend.

We canoed 2 days, running the raps that we could and portaging where we had to. Everything was fine. Then we came to the falls that are the highlite of the trip. A good 20 feet high with a beautiful split in the middle. Great views from the top, and good walleye and pike fishing at the bottom.

To get to the portage, you have to wedge the bow of the canoe between two rocks at the brink of the falls, then the bow paddler gets out and the canoe slides forward further over the falls wedging the belly of the boat, allowing the stern paddler to make their escape.

Girlfriend found herself suspended 20 feet in the air with a rock beside her and water thundering all around and immediately freaked out. Screaming, crying, asking me to save her. I point out that this route is well documented, this portage is a little scary, but hundreds of people have used this trail before, and so will we. Finally coax her out of the boat and she freezes on the rock.

No where for daughter or me to go. I tell GF to get off the rock, and start climbing down the falls (there is a ledge to descend) she continues to freak out. I find a way around daughter, and up to the rock, grab GF's hand and lead her to the ledge. Daughter gets out of the canoe grinning from ear to ear. She thinks this is awesome.

GF and I broke up after she cracked too many times over perceived danger. I still say you are in more danger when you don't know what danger is, than when you recognize the dangers around you, no matter how bad it is.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 12:53:05

I've got too many scary stories to settle on just one.

My most memorable sail however is one in which I began a two day race around the Keweenaw Peninsula in Northern Michigan. I guess about 60+ miles straight line distance. The race is set up in two legs, the first termininating at Copper Harbor, a small remote harbor on the Northern tip of the pennisula. On the way to the start my auto pilot went on the fritz. This after getting only 5 hrs sleep the night before and spending the day prepping for the race. I was sailing single handed as I usually do.

The race began at 12 midnight after a 2.5 hour motor from my mooring to the start. We began with the wind so light that in tghe first 10 mile stretch I was able to observe the sunset, full moon rise, full moon set, and the sunrise. That was spectacular in itself. Perhaps the most beatiful sail I've ever experienced.

I finally arrived at Copper Harbor at 4:30 that afternoon, last in the fleet of 10 boats. I was the only boat under 30 feet. By that time I had been awake for about 20 hours and storm was wipping up on the nose out of the East as I approached the harbor. I don't know what the winds were but it was getting so bad that, in my exhausted state, I decided to abandon the race and motor the last mile to the harbor entry.

The next morning I began the day thinkng that I would return home the same way I came out but the wind was so bad from the West, with waves to four feet, that I decided to continue around the penninsula and hope for a more sheltered sail home. I left at 9 am sailing under single-reefed main and a scrap of furled jib. Seas were running at about 2-3 feet, winds again on the nose at about 20 to 25. I arrived at the "finish" at 11:00 that night. The wind finally died about an hour before. I motored another 3 hrs to my mooring under a full moon, star lit sky, and water like glass. I picked up my mooring at 12:30 am after another 15+ hours at the helm. I was so exhausted I didn't even bother rowing to shore. I just collapsed on a bunk and slept until noon that morning. I later learned that seas were running to 8' feet on the leg I had decided not to take on the return trip.

I really didn't miss my auto pilot that much on this sail. I used various jury rigs for brief respites from the helm, and don't think the pilot would have been much help at all in those winds and seas. I've since had it repaired and have decided to pick up a spare though, just in case. My roller furling and my mainsail reefing systems were a god send however.

That was 4 years ago and I'm still the only one in our club that will single hand that race.

Edited by - aeckhart on 06/23/2008 13:30:01

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 15:51:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Quote: "How many bells do you ring for a 25 foot sailboat in fog and how often do you ring it?"

Dr. Dave Bristle - the other curmudgeon here - probably will correct me, BUT I believe the correct answer is every 2 minutes.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Right--at least every 2 minutes, and it can be (and usually is) a horn--one long and two short blasts for a sailboat, just one long for a powerboat. And turn on your running lights. (Don't know about bells--I think of that as for being at anchor.) It's a good idea to turn off your engine, sound your signal, and then listen. As Sten says, if you hear a signal, put out a securite' call on ch. 16.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 06/23/2008 15:52:35

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 16:09:44

You guys assume that you are required to have a radio, your not and you assume that dingies and day sailors have running lights and radio's (but a C-25 will). What is really scary is the ability of anyone, and I mean anyone to buy a boat sail or otherwise and don't know the "rules of the Road" Question two?

Your are in an inter coastal channel (like Florida or any Lake) a 40 ft boat is approaching you at 15 knots on his side of the channel, what is his requirements when you are under sail on your side of the channel? And how far past you is he responsible for his wake?

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 16:50:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wmeinert@kconline.com
 You guys assume that you are required to have a radio, your not and you assume that dingies and day sailors have running lights and radio's (but a C-25 will). What is really scary is the ability of anyone, and I mean anyone to buy a boat sail or otherwise and don't know the "rules of the Road" Question two?

Your are in an inter coastal channel (like Florida or any Lake) a 40 ft boat is approaching you at 15 knots on his side of the channel, what is his requirements when you are under sail on your side of the channel? And how far past you is he responsible for his wake?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I'm not sure what the answer is but here in Kemah, there are no requirements (just ask the idiots with more money than brains). I've had numerous 40+ blow by me halfway up on plane kicking up 3-4' wakes. I had a 45 footer come up from behind me at probably 20 knots weaving his way between boats of all sizes. He got right up to my stern and was about 15' away and chopped the throttles because we were entering a narrow channel. Of course his wake just kept on going. Even though I was anticipating the effects of his wake I came within inches of slamming into the side of his million dollar baby.

He continued on by me at probably 10 knots and of course he wasn't happy until he was at the head of the line where he immediately idled down to a dead slow idle and had everyone crawling along behind him.

He got his payback a bit later when he came face to face with another idiot in a 40' Fountain full of hot looking ladies that was passing under the bridge on the wrong side of the channel. They sat there flipping each other off and exchanging obscenities for a good five minutes (by this time the channel was full of boats jammed up trying to keep from hitting each other) before the Fountain motored past the 45 footer still on the wrong side of the channel.

BTW, I believe there is no distance requirement for your wake if you are in a No Wake Zone.

Edited by - GaryB on 06/23/2008 16:51:22

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 17:50:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And how far past you is he responsible for his wake?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I'm not sure how to respond to this. Does anyone other than a sailor (Dr Bristle excepted) understand what a wake is? How do you enforce responsibility for a wake?

While at anchorage this weekend in a 30' wide and very shallow (stream channel) inlet I had more examples of just how incredibly stupid and inconsiderate powerboaters can be, than I have the time or inclination to list here.

Scarry stories, I have two. I'll be brief. (some of the good stuff is left out) On the Great Barrier Reef in Australia, I was scuba diving when a sudden storm blew in. The dive boat lost it's anchor and drifted off. I and 7 other souls were left to drift eastward (away from Australia) while the waves and wind built. We were found some time later, thirsty and cranky. Then we had a boat ride back to Cairns with green water over the pilot house and a Captain passed out drunk.

Number two: sailing just out of Nanaimo BC and returning after a long race, we were tired and hungry, in a 26 ft Thunderbird (a wooden hard chined sailboat that I would not have set foot on, had I known before-hand what a piece of crap this boat is). On our return to Nanaimo Harbour due to onset of deteriorating weather, The owner of the boat handed the helm over to the newest sailor who, not knowing the geography, turned too soon and ended up in a shallow log marshalling area where the waves were building up and now brown water was coming over the bow and where we ended up getting boxed in due to a tugboat pulling a log boom out of the area, the cables were about half a mile long, the log boom itself was about half a mile long and wide. We got tossed around like a toy and spent several hours trying to stay off a lee shore and staving off loose logs. The water varied between 4' and 10' deep and the waves about 4-10' depending on the depth of the water. We ran out of gas and ended up tacking and gybing like, well, like our lives depended on it. One estimate is that we tacked 100 times in the space of two and half hours.

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 18:07:33

As a crow flies, I am less than 2 miles from our Newport entrance that goes out to the Pacific Ocean. I was awoken to a fog horn. I finally opened my eyes and looked out the window. Fog surrounded my house so for sure it was foggy at the ocean. This was the first time I heard that horn. It was kinda strange. I have been living there for 20 years and never heard it.
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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 21:44:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wmeinert@kconline.com
 You guys assume that you are required to have a radio, your not and you assume that dingies and day sailors have running lights and radio's...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">This is turning into a hyjack, but... No, we both said it's a good idea to use a radio, and your test was about a 25' boat, which must have running lights.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You are in an inter coastal channel (like Florida or any Lake) a 40 ft boat is approaching you at 15 knots on his side of the channel, what are his requirements when you are under sail on your side of the channel? And how far past you is he responsible for his wake?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The powerboat is required to keep clear--no signals are necessary. Dr. Sten can correct me, but I'm not aware of blanket rules regarding wakes except as posted. It's a courtesy to put the bow down in close quarters. However, if a powerboat is overtaking a sailboat, it's also a self-serving courtesy for the sailboat to slow down so the powerboat can overtake at a courteous speed. (If you're motoring at 7 knots in a 30-footer, a powerboat will have to draw a substantial wake to pass. Better to slow to 3-4 until he's by.) I suspect responsibility for damage or injury from wakes is a tort issue... no?

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Response Posted - 06/23/2008 : 23:43:30

Dr. Dave is correct. The rules are a bit vague, BUT stinkpotters ARE responsible for their wakes. What that means is that if your vessel gets rocked and something breaks you can go after the offending boat for whatever that is worth. I've heard of sailors on the ICW taking pics of the offending vessel, AND I have heard them screaming into the radio, "You are responsible for your wake." Everytime a stinkpot wanted to pass Lysistrata and wanted me to slow down, I would retort with, "Captain, this is an ocean going vessel - pass with as many bells as you are comfortable with." That being said, I was chastized twice by stinkpotters who were not happy that I refused to slow down. Look, I am moving at 6 knots. Why do I want to slow down just to let your gas guzzling ass go by?

The laws of the sea are often written only in common sense, which is a rarity out here...

sten

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Response Posted - 06/24/2008 : 00:19:19

If you choose not to accommodate the overtaking vessel then you can't complain of their wake since you are forcing them to pass at a higher speed. ALL boats are responsible for their wakes and power boaters aren't the only jerks, there are just more of them. I think choosing to sail through a narrow congested channel and demanding right of way is poor seamanship. I see it on occasion and always think how stupid it is to put so many boats at risk so a skipper can show off his short tacking.

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Response Posted - 06/24/2008 : 08:21:28

Well, Sten... don't send me any bills for your shattered, long-stemmed, cut-crystal wine goblets!

Part of the reason for slowing is to minimize the distance needed to pass at a low-wake speed. In a busy stretch of the ICW, that could be important. At a higher speed, the wake will affect other things like boats on docks--not just your blue-water-capable vessel. But if you enjoy adding to the prejudices between "arrogant stinkpotters" and "self-righteous ragbaggers", that'll do the job.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 06/24/2008 08:23:14

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Response Posted - 06/24/2008 : 09:02:47

"SELF RIGHTEOUS RAGBAGGERS" ?
wow - so that's what they've been yelling at us!

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Quote:"Part of the reason for slowing is to minimize the distance needed to pass at a low-wake speed. In a busy stretch of the ICW, that could be important. At a higher speed, the wake will affect other things like boats on docks--not just your blue-water-capable vessel. But if you enjoy adding to the prejudices between "arrogant stinkpotters" and "self-righteous ragbaggers", that'll do the job."

Hmmmm.... I guess I wasn't clear. After a few days of hearing sailors get angry at powerboats on the ICW, I did try to make a point to my fellow sailors that the stink potters were being unfairly criticized by some. You are right Dave, there is a time and a place to slow down and let them pass. That's even more true on a C25. But Lysistrata doesn't flinch at a little wake, and yes we had plenty of space around us when I answered that way. I should clarify also that I did not always answer the call for a pass that way. And ALL of the stink potters we met along the way were extremely courteous. It was the sailors who were making a mess on the radio.

I did hear a marina hail the Coasties to report damage at their marina to a dock and a new boat. The vessel involved was forced to return, inspect the damage and whatever...

sten

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Response Posted - 06/25/2008 : 23:26:57

How about an adventure for someone else and scared the crap out of me?

We were sailing in a race in the south Puget Sound, don't recall exactly which one. My friend's J92 could usually whup up on the whole fleet, but to do that, you needed some wind, and we had none. Zip, nada, not a zephyr. We ended up next to an island, tacking back in forth in the current & counter current along the shore with two other boats for nearly three hours, and the same two or three houses were in view the entire time. We were so close to the shore we could see the bottom, when we could make out clams on the bottom we'd turn back out into the current. Anyway, it started getting dark, most of the fleet had already decided to pack it in, but we were "in the lead", or at worst, third, so Wayne (the skipper) wanted to try & make it past the island to see if there was any wind to work with once we got out of it's shadow. All the while, the fog's creeping in, and don't forget it's getting dark. Finally we decide that we're giving up, and the other two boats do the same. We were about nine or ten hours into a supposedly twelve hour race, and weren't even halfway done yet. So, because Wayne is probably the oldest guy in the fleet, who's been working tug boats & what not his entire life on the sound, the rest of the boats get in line behind us, each chugging along feeling their way through the fog trying to keep the boat in front in sight. This was about at the outset of GPS, but we didn't have one on the boat. Plus our fluxgate compass had given up the ghost, and there was no analog compass on the boat. "Not to worry" says Wayne, "I can navigate by sound using the horn and listening to the echoes". I'm fairly skeptical about this, but he seems like he really does know what he's doing, plus he was a great captain, so I was willing to go along (not like I had lots of choice). It's now completely dark, we can see maybe 30-40 yards into the fog at best, and there are three boats headed back to Budd Bay & their respective marinas. Sound is funny in the fog, Wayne was blowing the air horn every few minutes and listening for the echoes, and making course corrections and calling them back to the boats behind us because we don't have a VHF. Then we hear another noise, a sort of hissing sound which we can't identify. It's coming off our port beam and getting louder. There's no other noise other than the little 3 cylinder diesel chugging along. Wayne shuts down the engine so we can listen better. Then all of a sudden almost right in front of us was a 3" hawser moving through the water almost perpendicular to our course. We were in between a tug boat & his barge! We couldn't see or hear anything but the hiss of the rope through the water. Wayne immediately started the engine back up, shoved it in gear & went hard to starboard. We never saw or heard the barge and I have no idea how close we were to it, but I've never forgotten that sound or the sight of the rope hissing through the water. We screamed at the other two boats to do the same, and all three of us cleared the barge safely. We eventually got back to the marina, after about three hours of picking our way through the fog.

The irony? It turns out that the barge that nearly ran us down belonged to Wayne's company. He owned a lumber mill and the barge was taking chipped bark or something up to Tacoma to be used as fuel or something.

Before the next race, I bought a handheld VHF (which I still have), a nice compass, and a better PFD.

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Response Posted - 06/26/2008 : 05:13:25

What was the story with the tugboat ? No horn ?

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Response Posted - 06/26/2008 : 08:28:09

No idea, we never heard or saw the tug, or the barge for that matter. Just 3" of nylon hawser running through the water.

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Response Posted - 06/26/2008 : 09:03:55

Now THAT'S some scary shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ......... stuff!

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Response Posted - 06/26/2008 : 10:24:40

David: I can't even count the mistakes by both professional captains on the fingers of both hands!

Lots of lives got some extra time that night.

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Response Posted - 06/26/2008 : 11:15:56

OK, speaking of races... Years ago I was invited by a friend to crew for her friend in a Wed. night race on a C&C 36. Turns out the owner is dying of something (Lou Gehrig's?), is wheeled to the boat and strapped onto the sternrail to be "tactician/skipper." His Admiral is the driver.

Forecast: rain and building wind. Setup: biggest mylar genny they've got. Good start, building easterlies with 100+ miles of fetch, rain beginning, darkness setting in as we beat about seven miles from Stamford, CT to a nun off Long Island. Pretty soon we're overpowered--green water over the rail, and the only way I can stay on the windward rail is by doing a constant "push-up" against a winch and the coaming--my feet are dangling and I'm looking straight down at dark 4-5 footers going by very fast (and coming over the bow) for about half an hour. No PFDs--turns out there are none on board. (BYO, I guess--who knew?) No lights--turns out the batteries are dead, as we find out when we get back and try to start the engine. No working flashlights... If anyone had gone over in that darkness and those seas, with that overpowered, under-crewed boat, they'd have been searching for the body the next day.

I kept quiet, but when we got back to the dock, I gave the Admiral a piece of my mind, and saved the rest. The owner might have been dying, but he had no right to make me go first. No wonder they had trouble getting crew!

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