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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/06/2008 : 10:48:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Capri25
 "and the Capri results?"

"where are the results?"

"and where are the results? Anyone? Today maybee!"

"this is really stupid but, where are the results for the regatta?

We had one member from our club go ( Capri 25 ) how many Capri 25's showed up. I had passed the national information along to them, and if anyone diserves to be a national champion is them."
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If you don't know the results of the regatta, how can you conclude the Capri owner from your club should be the National Champion?

Anyway as far as the race results go, Google and about 10 seconds worth of my time produced this...

[url="http://www.okcboatclub.com/race/results/2008%20LCR%20C25.html"]2008 Lighthouse Charity Regatta[/url]

[url="http://www.okcboatclub.com/race/results/2008%20LCR-Keel.html"]2008 Lighthouse Charity Regatta - Keelboats[/url]

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Don, I think the point was that these results should be somewhere on this site. If it's our championship, we ought to care enough to report the results.

As to who should be the "National Champion", I'll leave that for others to decide but, if Low Key (Capri, Spinnaker class) and Kansas Twister (C25) had the same race records and they're in the same Association, let's just say I'm confused. O'course, that's not an uncommon state for me when it comes to racing.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 07/06/2008 : 13:30:41

first off there were no results posted I have been checking the site, and I know how to use a search engine, if there was a nationals for this association, it should be posted here. There was a Capri 25 that finished 1st in the spinnaker class, will it place in its own class?

The Lowe's should be awarded for there efforts?

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 09:35:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 My feeling when I was Commodore is that the Catalina 25/250 Nationals will eventually die out, probably sooner than later.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> The obvious reality is that, eventually, all the C25s and 250s ever built will deteriorate and disappear and not only will the National Regatta die out, but the National Association will die out. So what? The same is true of the human race, but I don't see any good reason why we should let it interfere with our ability to enjoy our lives now.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">These are not race boats, and never were. They are coastal cruisers and family day sailors. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Any boat that you race is a race boat. One of the biggest, most competitive racing fleets on the Chesapeake Bay is the C27 fleet, and they're rated slightly faster than the C25, but in fact, they're slower. The C27 is no more of a "race boat" than the C25. In fact, I've always thought of the C25 as a giant killer - it can beat lots of boats that should be faster. For the last two years that I owned my C25, we had two racing fleets at my lake. About 9-10 J24s raced one design, all with spinnakers, and the rest of the boats raced handicapped. I raced with the J24s, instead of the handicapped fleet, because my C25 could be competitive with the Js on the windward leg (she was often the second or third boat around the weather mark), and it was fun to fight it out with them on the windward leg, even though I knew they'd all usually, but not always, draw ahead of me when their chutes came out, and I raced downwind with white sails.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The Catalina 25 fleet is aging, the first boats are now 30 years old. Hot racers these days are not buying Catalina 25s and fixing them up! Look for these guys in Js, Melges or Flying Tigers.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Some of the hottest racers on the Chesapeake Bay are racing C27s, even older Cal 25s, occasionally an even older Pearson Triton. Some of the most skilled racers can't afford to buy the newest, hottest boats, so they race old boats that sail well and are fun to sail. That's the reality of racing. The fact that a guy owns the hottest boat doesn't mean that he knows what to do with it.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">We were lucky to find anyone that wanted to host the Nationals.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> We've been lucky in that way ever since 1983. We've only failed a couple of times.

I don't understand the negativity some of us have about the boat. If you want to cruise, it'll do that nicely. If you want to race, it'll do that nicely as well. Unlike many boats, whose designs permit them to be only good for either racing or for cruising, it's a chameleon - it can be whatever you want it to be.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 09:53:15

It's been said that the very first sailboat race ever was started the very moment the SECOND sailboat was launched!

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 15:58:59

Here are the Offical Results of the Capri Nationals, There wasn't a Championship.Only one (1) Capri showed up for the regatta. It came in from Tulsa and
sailed in the handicap fleet. No Capri 25 championship was held.
the results are posted on the following link.
http://www.okcboatclub.com/race/results/2008%20LCR-Keel.html

Steve

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 16:17:13

Steve - thanks for your response, you are welcome to your opinion and I respect you for posting it. You are one the world's best resources on tuning and racing a C25.

I am racing my boat against the big boys (using your tips) and usually having fun doing it. I can't afford a modern, state-of-the-art race boat and don't know if I'd want one anyhow since I like to cruise to distant shores (not all of those boats are so stable).

My feelings regarding our Nationals remain the same, however, and I was stating for the record what I feel, and why we took the actions that we did during my term as Commodore.

Notice I did not include Capri 25 in my comments that "no one is racing them".

Here in San Diego I am the only person actively racing a Cat 25, there are a couple of Capris, many Cat 27s, more Cat 30s in the local PHRF.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 19:54:37

Interesting. Looking at the classes - one designs that participated in the Lighthouse Cup, and the Catalina 25, with 8 boats had the largest level of participation - at least among the non-center boards. While not all were holding National Championships in conjunction with this regatta, the Cat 25's out numbered the others.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/07/2008 : 20:22:50

If you dig deep and check the details for each race you will see the top boats finished very close.
http://www.okcboatclub.com/race/results/2008%20LCR%20C25.html

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Steve Meyer
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Response Posted - 07/08/2008 : 21:18:00

I was the regatta chair for this year's nationals. Nationals have always been more of a regional championship. That is the reason we move the site around the country. Certainly we would have liked to have more national champions at the regatta, that goes without saying. However. the Catalina 25 is difficult to trailer, especially with $4.00 gas. We were excited that Gary brought Kansas Twister down, but all other Catalina 25's were from Lake Hefner. We only had one Capri 25 and they travelled from Tulsa. The regatta, as a whole, was very successful. The racing was very close on all races, three races had boats finishing only seconds apart. The last race was the best of the regatta (I won). Between the 05 nationals and the 08 nationals Gary is 9 and 1. That record is no fluke. Gary and his crew are true champions. Our national association is made up of 99.9% cruisers. Neither Catalina nor the national association supports the national regatta financially. The national regatta is only accomplished through the volunteer efforts of the racing faction within the association. Commodore Bill Meinert and all of the other officers are to be commended for their efforts in keeping this association viable. It isn't easy pleasing sailors with such diverse interests. It is easy to criticize something you know nothing of and as always hindsight is 20/20. I promise, those who raced had a great time. Please keep positive and volunteer where needed. Do your part in keeping this association the vital link it is.
Looking forward...............See you on the race course.

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