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Toddl2002
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Initially Posted - 09/02/2002 : 12:01:43

I am a new Catalinia 25 owner.
Included is a Jib ready bag, my question is what is the proper
way to pack away the sail in this bag, How is the folding done?

Thanks

Todd in Miami
Toddl2@attbi.com

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 09/02/2002 : 13:20:29

Welcome Todd!

I'd like to hear everyone's techniques, too. BTW, does anyone store their head sails with the sheets attached?

Thanks in advance ...

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 09/02/2002 : 13:24:26

If you are going to leave the jib hanked on and stowed in a bag then you will find what is right for you. I would suggest that you strech the sail out either along the port or starboard side of the boat. Flake it as you would a main sail. Next grab it about in the middle and take that section forward keeping the clew aft. Fold again but accordion stile. Keep the clew aft and pack into the bag. When you unpack the bag all you whould need to do is pull on the sheet and the tention on the clew should unfold the sail.

Doug&Ruth
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Tacoma Wa.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 09/02/2002 : 20:23:56

Lazy so and so that I am, I just stuff my jib inside the bag. I've heard. . .perhaps it was rationalization. . . that one shouldn't really fold a sail along the same lines over and over again, because it weakens the material.

And yes, I leave the sheets attached. When I take the bag off, it really doesn't make any difference where the clew was inside the bag as long as it's all free when clear from the bag.

Brooke

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/02/2002 : 20:55:19

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I just stuff my jib inside the bag. I've heard. . .perhaps it was rationalization. . . that one shouldn't really fold a sail along the same lines over and over again, because it weakens the material.
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I subscribe to the "stuff" philosophy--for recreational sailing. But for racers, I do suspect that a small number of soft folds (careful flaking) is better on the sail than the large number of crinkles from stuffing it. All of that said, I'm LOVING my first roller furler! Some days, the genny is the only thing to come out, because it's so easy to furl.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 09/02/2002 : 23:23:46

"All of that said, I'm LOVING my first roller furler! Some days, the genny is the only thing to come out, because it's so easy to furl." - Dave Bristle

This is my first season with roller furling too, and I couldn't agree with you more. Along with the furler, this is also my first season with both a fixed keel and an autopilot. These three things have made sailing this year so wonderful that my wife is threatening to send me to a 12-step program for sailors because I'm on the water so much. I find myself going sailing even if it's for only an hour, because now it's not so much of a chore setting up and hoisting sails, especially on those windier days where I went from,

1. Hank on genoa and lash to foredeck
2. Lower keel
3. Point boat head-to-wind in 3 foot seas
4. Race to rolling and pitching cabintop and raise main
5. Race back to cockpit to again point head-to-wind
6. Race to bouncing foredeck, unlash genoa, and raise
7. Race back to cockpit and trim sails
8. Discover I have too much headsail and must change <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
9. Again point head-to-wind
10. Race to heaving foredeck, fall down <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle> , lower, remove, and stow genoa below
11. Hank on working jib, attach sheets, and raise
12. Race back to cockpit and trim sails
13. Breath <img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

to,

1. Unfurl and trim genoa
2. Have coffee <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Now, if I also had in-boom furling to boot, I would be on the water and away from home so much that my wife could probably have the courts declare me legally dead! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, North Star
C25 SR/FK

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Kirk McKay
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Response Posted - 09/03/2002 : 11:20:17

I think the stuffing route is the way to go. Just like with our backpacking tents, if you keep folding them, they will wear out in those places!
Ok Roller guys, I'm thinking about getting one this winter, any suggestions?

Kirk

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 09/03/2002 : 12:14:42

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I subscribe to the "stuff" philosophy--for recreational sailing. But for racers, I do suspect that a small number of soft folds (careful flaking) is better on the sail than the large number of crinkles from stuffing it.
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Actually Dave, most racers would tell you the best method for any sail is the roll method. Unfortunately, it doesn't make for good storage because it is one really long tube. Nor does it work too well for a quick sail change. It is however very good for the mylar and the polymer derrivative sails.

On the smaller racing boats that only have one luff track, one headstay or better yet one headsail allowed, the sails are rolled from the head to the foot and placed in a very long bag (most people call it a sock). No wrinkles or fold marks whatsoever.

This is how we store all our sails over the winter. Prior to our installing mast gate plates, we used to roll our main and tie it to the boom, but now we are stuck with flaking it.

On a side note: The main reason a racer folds over any other method, is to make for a quick sail change. Its a little different with the hanks as opposed to a luff tape, but the sail is flaked starting at the foot keeping the luff as close together as possible. Then the sail is rolled Clew to Tack and place into the bag with the tack on the top.

When folded in this manner, if a sail change is in order the foredeck guy can take the sail out of the roll it back to the mast where the mastman can take the clew and attach the new sheets, while the fordeck guy guides the sail into the luff track as the pitman hoists the sail. And you better be able to tie two quick bowlines if your mastman because that sail is going up whether you are finished or knot (pun intended). After that the old sail is dropped. and stowed to be folded below on the downwind leg in the cabin.

as for the Jib Ready Bag, I would suggest starting by attaching the sail to the stay and allowing it to naturally flake. then starting at the clue either roll or fold the excess toward the bow and bag it. you should be able to leave the sheets attached.There are usually 1 or two guys at every marina though, so ask how they do it...

dw

Duane Wolff
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jellyfish
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Response Posted - 09/03/2002 : 12:56:35

just stuff it in there sheets and all! when the big storm starts heading you way you will figure out the best way, the quickest!

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jtbarrett
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Response Posted - 09/03/2002 : 16:41:36

hmmm, depends on the mood after the day. Hot day = stuff it! Nice day = flake and roll it! I try best to flake it though. Basically same method as the main sail with sheets attached. I have most of the parts for a roller furler that came off as friends catalina 25 ( some broken but easily replaced), but my genoa 150 is fairly new and my working jib pratically new. Besides I kinda like the hank on method.

Jonathan T Barrett (YPYC)
'82 sk sr "Hang Loose"

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/03/2002 : 23:13:24

I half fold and half stuff my jib in exactly the same way that Doug describes.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>strech the sail out either along the port or starboard side of the boat. Flake it as you would a main sail. Next grab it about in the middle and take that section forward keeping the clew aft. Fold again but accordion stile. Keep the clew aft and pack into the bag. When you unpack the bag all you whould need to do is pull on the sheet and the tention on the clew should unfold the sail. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

My sailbag is sausage-shaped, 18” in diameter and 5’ long, with a zipper that runs the full length of the bag. I unzip the bag, open it up and lay it on the foredeck, pull it under the folded jib, wrap it around the sail, and zip it up. Finally, I unclip the jib hanks. The next time I use the sail, the jib hanks are all neatly lined up, facing the correct direction and easy to attach to the jibstay. The sailcloth doesn’t get creases and it doesn’t get abused and softened as much as it would if it was randomly stuffed. It’s easy for a cruiser and it keeps the sails in good condition for racing.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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MattL
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Response Posted - 09/04/2002 : 02:43:10

Steve,
Why do you un hank the sail. I thought the idea with the sail bag like that was so you didn't have to take it off. There is only one boat at our lake with a jib bag. They leave it on with the halayard attached to the rear of the bag and use the line to lift the whole thing off of the deck. They also have a snap shacle attached to the sail and just remove the sheets.

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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Cat 25 86'
FK/SR _/)

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/04/2002 : 11:02:34

Matt,

My bag has a D-ring on the end of it, and I can leave it attached, or, when cruising I can lash it on deck after raising a smaller jib. When in my home slip, however, I store it inside the boat from one week to the next, to discourage some young, misguided person from appropriating my several hundred dollar sail for use as a pup tent.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 09/04/2002 : 12:34:51

I stow mine pretty much the same as Steve Milby. While still hanked on (but doused), strech out and flake same as the mains'l. Then roll (loose) from clew to foot. I leave the sheets attached. I've not noticed any crease pattern and the flaking makes it easier to hank on because they are layed out straight and in the correct order for attachment. If I am going to just cover the sail while still hanked on. I do the same thing except instead of rolling it, I do the accordian fold that Doug described. That way the sail bag can be slipped over from aft end (with the sheets attached but tucked in from under the bag) My bag has a string closer so I draw it snug to the hanks and clip the halyard to the bag and raise it just off the deck for air movement.

Mark-
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jncarlin
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Response Posted - 09/06/2002 : 18:24:04

What is "Flaking"?

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 09/06/2002 : 19:18:11

When you flake a sail, you are folding it accordion style to minimize creases and, if it is done on the boom, to allow easier hoisting of the mainsail. A line can also be flaked to minimize tangles when paying it out.

Don Lucier, North Star
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