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Deric
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Initially Posted - 07/21/2008 : 20:47:26

Hello Folks,

I am looking for clarification. I have a Catalina 25 and yet I am uncertain about the type: Standard Rig or Tall Rig. The PO didn't know there were two different types.

I noticed in the Catalina Manual that it indicates the following measurements:

Std P = 24.66 Std I =29.0
Tall P = 27.66 Tall I = 31.0

Unfortunately, I do not know the definition an reference of the P or I.

If I measure from the mast step to the top of the mast - - not to include the measurement of the anchor light - - the number should either be 27.66 or 31, correct?

Thank you,
Deric

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/21/2008 : 20:53:10

No. 28 or 30.

"P" is the luff length of the mainsail.

"I" is measured along the front of mast from the genoa halyard to the main deck. The main deck is where the deck would be if there were no deckhouse. (The C-25 mast sits atop the deckhouse.)

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 07/21/2008 20:58:19

Even Chance
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Response Posted - 07/22/2008 : 11:36:57

Also -- if you have a single backstay, it's probably a SR, and if you have a split backstay, it's probably a TR.

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 07/22/2008 : 11:59:14

You could attach a tape measure with duct tape to your main halyard and determine the P for your setup. Use lots of tape to make sure to be able to pull your halyard back down, though.

To use a hint, the boom is perhaps a foot lower in the tall rig, and this is easy to spot if you have another C-25 to compare to.

Happy sailing, whatever your rig!

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 07/22/2008 : 13:26:41

Basic test: Stand in cockpit while tacking, if you are still conscious its not a tall rig.

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Deric
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Response Posted - 07/23/2008 : 16:29:12

Dave,

Hahahaha nice way to test to determine if I have an SR or TR.
I measured the mast: 28. I believe I have the SR.

It is nice to know the boat I am sailing.

Deric

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ilnadi
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Response Posted - 07/24/2008 : 09:42:25

I've only lost a hat to the TR boom, not consciousness; does that count?<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave5041
 Basic test: Stand in cockpit while tacking, if you are still conscious its not a tall rig.
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Response Posted - 07/24/2008 : 14:51:37

Just as an FYI, mine is TR, but came from the factory with a single backstay, so you can't count on backstay to determine rig configuration.

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Response Posted - 07/25/2008 : 08:22:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Even Chance
 Also -- if you have a single backstay, it's probably a SR, and if you have a split backstay, it's probably a TR.
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Is this true? I have never heard it before. My understanding was that the pop top and split backstay were customer options when the boat was sold new. So was the heated rear view mirror and whitewalls, but few opted for them.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 07/25/2008 : 08:53:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Also -- if you have a single backstay, it's probably a SR, and if you have a split backstay, it's probably a TR.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Untrue. My '84 SR was purchaced, new, with a split backstay.

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Response Posted - 07/25/2008 : 10:27:04

Deric;

Don't go by the backstay set-up, I think the posts above that talk about the backstay being optional are more correct. I have an '82 SR with a split backstay. If you can't figure it out by the mast length, go by the cross section shape of the mast extrusion. My SR is an oval shape, that is a little pointed on the back side where the sail slot is (kind of a teardrop?), but the sides are rounded. The mast extrusion for the TR's that I ahve seen are the same as the mast extrusions for the CAT 27's. It has flat sides with a rounded front and back. Hope that helps.

Paul

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/25/2008 : 12:06:03

...except that my SR mast had flat sides and was round fore and aft. I haven't seen a "teardrop" extrusion on a C-25, tall or short.

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Response Posted - 07/26/2008 : 11:14:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 ...except that my SR mast had flat sides and was round fore and aft. I haven't seen a "teardrop" extrusion on a C-25, tall or short.
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Same here. The only sure way to tell is get out the tape measure. A 50 footer will do the job and you should own one anyway for tuning the mast.

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Response Posted - 07/26/2008 : 21:30:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by farrison
 Deric;

Don't go by the backstay set-up, I think the posts above that talk about the backstay being optional are more correct. I have an '82 SR with a split backstay.
Paul
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I said "probably," precisely because there are exceptions like yours. But it's a good place to start.

Edited by - Even Chance on 07/26/2008 21:31:24

Deric
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Response Posted - 07/27/2008 : 17:16:58

Hi folks,

It is great to read all the comments. I did confirm that I have a SR.

But because there has been comments on this thread about backstays, my boat also has an adjustable back stay.

Deric

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