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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 :  08:07:56  Show Profile
Steve asked:

- What time period was this taken from? -

9:27 am to 11:24 am about 2 hours. I think I drove back up to the wreck 3 times, so I had to pull up the anchor 3 times. Not fun.

- What type of bottom did you anchor in? -

It is a flat sandy bottom.

- what type of anchor did you use and what did you end up replacing it with. -

I used the Danforth design that came with the Stamas 21 ft boat. The anchor had a sliding shank and if you dropped the anchor quickly the connection would slide up and spoil the anchor. The anchor needed to be on the bottom quickly to keep us in position. I threw that anchor overboard and got a danforth without the sliding shank.

We would always drop the anchor with very little rhode and we would be stationary, thinking the anchor was set. Diving down to the bottom we would find the anchor spoiled on the bottom and the line would lift about 2 links of the chain off the bottom riding 1-2 foot swells. So the whole rode moving through the water has a very stabilizing effect on the boat.

Now I'm a firm beliver in backing down to set the anchor.

If I'm diving we just go down and set it ourselves.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 :  08:17:13  Show Profile
I guess I should explain what you are seeing better. I am driving up to three different wrecks. I drive up to one and drive around to find the bottom structure, drop the anchor and drag. I pull the anchor and drive up the the second wreck ( the Black Bart ) and anchor, fish and drag a little. Pull the anchor and drive around the third structure ( hwy79 bridge rubble ) anchor and drag. Pull the anchor and drive off.

Did not catch anything on this location that day. Caught Grouper and amberjack later in the day.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 :  09:35:42  Show Profile
What was the depth and scope, Ray? Were you moving down-wind/current when you dropped? That can help avoid fouling with your rode.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 :  09:59:52  Show Profile
About 80 feet deep. This area normally has a crosscurrent often running counter to the wind at about 20-40 depth. I only go offshore on "calm" days so our seas are normally 1-2 feet at the most. We are fishing/ diving on an area that is relatively small and if we are diving we drop the anchor and follow the line down and secure the anchor on the wreck. If we are fishing we are still often only using a 1:2 rode just to keep us near the wreck and to keep from having to haul up to much line.

I'm fishing offshore so I are not trying to be anchored up well. I use different techniques for anchoring depending on how I'm fishing. Reef anchor in reef areas, short rode over rubble areas, and sometimes just hang the anchor up over the bottom or put out a sea anchor if we want to drift fish.

Lots of areas I've fished I'm been down to the bottom diving looking at the bottom to understand what is down there.

Most of these are considered "inshore" rubble areas from construction dumped on the bottom to create habitat.

Remember those concrete road barriers that were like a small fence? before the galvanized steel we see on the side of roads.

Stuff like that on the bottom.
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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 :  10:41:17  Show Profile
Net-net: You're gonna drag. And it sounds like you're gonna hafta dive on the anchor occasionally to free it so you can go home!
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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 :  11:12:41  Show Profile
yepper on that, we unhook the anchor on the way back up. Up here at lake Lanier I use a navy anchor and mushroom to keep from getting hung up, and lots of rode. Dropping while moving to cleat and set.

In the bay in Florida I use the moving boat anchoring technique with lots of rode and a danforth. Again cleating while moving to use the boat to set. I normally set two.

No dragging or me... the florida sand bottom is easy to set in.
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DaveR
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Response Posted - 09/10/2008 :  15:14:56  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> the florida sand bottom is easy to set in <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Or at least that's what you think until you wake up at 2am 20ft off another boat because you set your anchor in sea grass

.............. but generally you're right, not to bad here in land of sand
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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/11/2008 :  07:04:01  Show Profile
Two reasons I like to put down two anchors:

1. You have one more anchor to hold and
2. It is easier to tell if one is moving.



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