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AADIVER
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Initially Posted - 08/08/2008 : 18:53:42

To facilitate single handing, I lead my jib sheets aft and secure them with offshore cam cleats; less expensive and just as effective as winches:

Frank Farmer
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 08/09/2008 : 09:28:01

I'd be worried about the amount fo torque you put on the fairlead while trimming the sail. No problems?

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 08/09/2008 : 13:03:54

I like this mod for light air sailing but we find that the winches are needed in higher winds. Handling the 150 genny in winds over about 12MPH without the winches would not be practical for us.

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 08/09/2008 : 13:13:12

Agree, but my jib is a 110, at times partially furled in winds over 15. I could still single hand using the winches, stabilizing my tiller with a bungee while making adjustments and/or tacking.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 08/09/2008 : 13:26:29

Frank
Looks like your midship cleats are doing well and holding up just fine.

paulj

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 08/09/2008 : 19:11:58

Yeah, anyone doing any single handing or short handing should have midship cleats for securing to dock cleats; for temporary tie-ups, bow and stern aren't needed.

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txbigfoot
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Response Posted - 08/10/2008 : 13:14:05

I have a similar setup, but I have my cleats on a rotational cleat similar to the mainsheet setup. Not sure what to call this device but it works well on my lake sailing. I agree with wanting to have a fixed cleat for off shore sailing. My cleats can fail and that leaves nothing to hold the jib sheet.

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Stardog
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Response Posted - 08/12/2008 : 19:50:13

Nifty setup for light air sailing, but I beg to differ that those little fairleads are as effective as winches, they give you no mechanical advantage at all for trimming.

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SCnewbie
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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 09:35:21

Should I be trimming my sheets so hard I need a winch for them?

My daughter has needed it but I haven't ever seemed to make much of a difference using the winch. How tight do you guys pull your sheets? No wonder I have so much weather helm and am so slow.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 12:09:31

I use winches for jib sheets but not critical for me but I have the baby 110. Maybe with a 130 or 150 its more critical.
I have more jams when I let them out. I like Franks's cam cleat mod and ordered some heavy duty ones after checking out what others have done in my marina. Many have cam cleats and some of those also have deck cleats to tie off. And these are much large boats than mine. A small percentage have coaming mounted winches for their jib sheets.
I think its a matter of preference and where and how you sail. And what may work for some, may not work for others. Thats the beauty of this forum: an expression of ideas.

Steve A

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 08/13/2008 : 15:03:18

When the wind kicks up we definitley need a winch to handle our 135 genny. I can't imagine adjusting the sheets in 12+MPH wind without the winch. And yes we crank it in tight when going windward. I'm guessing Frank is a tough guy and maybe I'm a wimp.

And I agree that each of us has different needs and there is more than one way to get the job done!

Edited by - Nautiduck on 08/13/2008 17:25:46

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/15/2008 : 12:38:17

A lot of our C-22 racers have replaced the coaming winches with ratchet cheek blocks and have moved the winches to the cabin top. In higher winds, the crew can then cross-sheet from the ratchet block to the cabin-top winch on the high side. I wonder if that would work on a C-250?
At the dock, my dock line runs from the cleat right behind the sheet winch to the cleat at the end of the dock finger then back up to the cleat at the stern.

Edited by - dmpilc on 08/15/2008 12:44:33

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