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josgood
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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 :  10:27:08  Show Profile
so many sailing/ boating terms being used in everyday life... this one comes to mind
"a little over the top" :)(for you...or the solution...you decide) lol
Looking for a solution that requires hand over hand muscle power for my C-25 (with a roller furler)
maybe I go electric someday.. maybe this winter if I can figure it out??
you did get a chuckle out of me though
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 :  12:52:00  Show Profile
Seriously, John... a windlass requires some vertical drop space below it so gravity can organize the rode. It also requires firmer footing than your anchor locker lid. I don't see how one could work on a C-25 unless you seriously glassed over the existing lid, removed the locker floor, and added a vertical bulkhead in the forepeak. But a simple roller like the one pictured can ease the hand-over-hand process, and optionally can stow an anchor like the Delta pictured (which doesn't fit in the locker). I got a roller designed specifically for the Delta, from Lewmar.
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josgood
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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 :  15:16:49  Show Profile
Ok, good start, I will begin by looking at Lemar rollers and see where it takes me.
thanks
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 :  19:56:01  Show Profile
The generic rollers in the WM catalog are fine for Danforth-type and other anchors... The Lewmar roller is designed to handle the wider shank of the Delta, with two rollers angled to help make it self-launching with the windlass. It wasn't much more expensive, but you'll probably do fine with West or whomever.
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josgood
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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 :  20:48:06  Show Profile
guess I will walk the slips and see what looks like a good install.
Not much room with the roller up front.
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pastmember
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Response Posted - 09/08/2008 :  06:47:20  Show Profile
What kind of bottom does Dillon have? Rock or mud?
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BengeB
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 :  21:29:16  Show Profile
After staying awake all night wondering if the anchors will hold I came up with a new saying. "Sleep soundly and Carry a Big Anchor.

I think if you read West Marine review you will find the Fortress and Manson Supreme are tuff to beat and work in different conditions. I would get the next size up from what you need. But I like a good nights sleep.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 :  21:57:18  Show Profile
Yup, Benge... I subscribe to the conventional wisdom to buy the next larger size from the manufacturer's chart based on your boat size. But perhaps even more important is chain--the component that helps to set and hold the anchor by pulling horizontally more than upwards. A lake sailor should have 15', a bay sailor should have 25', and an ocean sailor... well, more is better. Fortress (a high-tech Danforth) vs. claw vs. plow,... that depends on prevailing ground conditions--mud, rock, grass, etc. Local knowledge is important in making that choice. An evaluation I saw a while ago panned the Manson and gave the honors to the Rockna, which is pretty big $$. My Delta has lived up to its billing so far--sets quickly, resets in tide changes, and holds in all bottoms I've tried (mud, sand, grass, and gravel). I'll report back the first time I drag.
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piseas
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Response Posted - 09/18/2008 :  22:42:47  Show Profile  Visit piseas's Homepage
Dave good advise. I saw the review and video of the Rockna and I was all set to go out and buy one until I saw the price. I too ended up with a Delta recently but haven't used it yet. I mainly anchor in mud so I use a fluke. I will have to try the Delta for comparison.
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michaelj
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Response Posted - 09/20/2008 :  14:53:13  Show Profile
We had to evacuate out marina when Hanna blew through North Carolia. FORTUNATELY I heeded the Dockmaster's advice and got a much bigger anchor than the one that came with the boat. I got a Danfort 2000. The Dockmaster also recommended a 20' cable rode instead of a chain rode, since we have to anchor in creeks off of the Neuse River and the chain will cut through submerged logs and not disturb the bottom around the anchor as much as a chain would. It all worked--the boat barely moved. I guess the moral is to get an anchor one size bigger than the one you think you will need. I also set the anchor that came with the boat, and I could pull it up by hand. It took a lot of work to get the big Danforth up.
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piseas
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Response Posted - 09/21/2008 :  08:44:57  Show Profile  Visit piseas's Homepage
Michael, is that a 43lb? I think that is a couple sizes bigger than recommended but I am sure you will sleep like a baby now. At my age, that size would give me a hernia
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/21/2008 :  09:49:37  Show Profile
>"A lake sailor should have 15' [chain], a bay sailor should have 25', and an ocean sailor... well, more is better."

Dave has it right. Even the best anchors won't hold when they are pulled vertically. You need to have enough weight and scope in the rode to keep the pull mostly horizontal. There are threads archived here on using a kellet to help keep the anchor set too. (Kellet = weight you attach to the midpoint of the anchor rode)
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