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Dave Bristle
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Initially Posted - 09/03/2008 : 09:44:05

NHS currently predicts [url="http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5day#contents"]Hannah[/url] will churn up the East Coast as a tropical storm (39-73mph) and plow into Long Island, CT & RI late Saturday. Could be a little messy for a bunch of us!

Association Port Captain, Mystic, CT
Past member and DPO of C-25 #5032
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing) and posting as "Stinkpotter".

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 09:48:51

I don't know how it is for you, Dave, but we need the rain desperately. As a farmer once told me, it's a sad thing when you need a hurricane to get some rain.

It looks as though we might get a series of storms this fall. Interesting.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 10:09:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Even Chance
 ...As a farmer once told me, it's a sad thing when you need a hurricane to get some rain...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Especially since for most farmers, hurricanes come too late. But they can do wonders for public water supplies--ours are fine this year.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 11:08:12

prepare well and prepare early. It can go either way and bad is bad..

we got lucky on Gustav and we still had some very hard outcomes.

don't take it lightly and be careful.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 12:16:11

I'm wondering if I need to take down the head and mainsail....

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 12:46:41

Jerry... I found that when I removed both sails, the storm would swing away and miss us. One of Murphy's corollaries... See what the track looks like on about Friday.

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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 13:43:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jerlim
 I'm wondering if I need to take down the head and mainsail....

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The only damage I've seen so far from a major storm was a stanchion that was pulled out of a boat's deck, and several genoas that unfurled during the storms and were whipped to shreds. If you take the genoa down, you'll be sure that it won't be damaged. I haven't seen a covered mainsail that has been damaged yet, but the same logic also applies to it. By reducing your boat's windage as much as possible, you also reduce strain on all the docklines, cleats and the marina's pilings. If any of those things give way, your boat will likely suffer considerable damage, and inflict damage on any leeward boat. It's worth the effort to reduce your windage and double up your docklines. It's quite a sight to see boats pitching, rolling and heeling in their slips in 70-80 knot winds, stretching their docklines taut.

I live aboard my boat during the summer, but will be up late during a major storm, adjusting the lines of my boat and my friend's boats, until I'm sure they're ok, and then will head for a motel, even though my boat is in one of the best sheltered slips on the Bay. The critical point that you have to get past is the point when the storm surge reaches its maximum. After that happens, you shouldn't need to make anymore adjustments to the lines for several hours, and you can get some sleep. At least, that's the way it has worked so far.

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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 15:07:50

Im on a mooring

i think ill drop the sails ,
and I saw on sailnet that somebody was talking about a chain for a third safty line .

I always use a safty line to the bow eye (it saved me in a storm couple years ago , so I keeped it) 3/4 line with eyes on both sides

so I was thinking chian to the bow eye then up over the bow roller to the anchor pad eye , just incase the bow eye brakes .
over kill is not a bad idea , if it keeps the boat off the shore .

chain on the mooring was replaced this spring

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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 22:23:24

Dave -- The worst wind direction for me on the slip is a Northeasterly wind. I may be able to move her to a hurricane hole nearby that's sheltered from the NE, but open to Southwesterly. As you say, its best to check on the storm track come Friday.

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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 22:34:24

I just got back from the boat, since the rest of my weeks pretty busy. Doubled up my lines, new tarp, Main'sl off, jibs carried off (hank on). Im almost more worried about Ike than Hannah.

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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 22:41:57

In preparation for a storm this summer, I took my boom off.
I was going to take my main sail off but realized that taking the cover off and the sail off it amounted to same or less work to take the entire boom off with the sail attached. (bolt rope main)

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 22:52:56

Bruce... They've shifted the forecasted track east a little... As you know, these things rotate counterclockwise, so as things stand, you can expect NE, shifting to N, then to NW as Hannah goes by to the east. It should be a little milder on your side of the state than on mine, but your storm tide will be higher (as usual on LIS). It would probably be most important for you to get Passage off that outside dock so you can tie her off on both sides--not lying on a dock. Can they put you in a slip for the night?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/03/2008 : 22:59:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 ...I took my boom off...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Not a bad idea--it fits in the cabin. When I left it on for a big storm, I ran a line between the stern cleats with a few turns around the boom to stabilize it.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 07:30:52

I'll be headed to the boat today after I finish this pot of coffee to yank Knotty Cat out of the water and find a place to secure her.

As of this morning some of the models have the center of Hanna passing to the west of me about 10 miles away, just shortly after land fall.

Got a call from the marina owner last night asking me of my intentions. He is trying to clear the docks of boats and was happy to hear of my plans.

I plan to trailer the boat to my property, point the bow into what I hope will be the strongest direction that the wind will be coming from, chock the wheels and lash the boat and the trailer to the ground via some trees. (and hope none of the trees give way)

Then wait out the Hanna and Ike. By that time I will have a better idea what Josephine will be doing.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 09/04/2008 07:35:03

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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 07:41:02

Peggy & I have been thinking of you Tom. Glad to hear you are able to get those plans in action.

Are you going to leave the mast and boom on the deck or are you going to put them under the trailer?

Paul

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 07:51:38

Kendall wrote:
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Im almost more worried about Ike than Hannah.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Boy that's an understatement. Ike looks like a mean one.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 09:58:28

Ike apparently won't be bothering us in the NE... Hanna will be a bit messy, and Josephine could be worse.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 20:34:12

I got Knotty Cat pulled out. There was a line at the ramp, mostly all sailboats

There were several of us sailboat owners in the parking lot de-rigging. I was getting many positive comments on the 250 mast raising or in this case mast lowering system.

One guy tried to buy it.

Trailered the boat to a opening area on my property. Screwed some 48" ground anchors in the ground on each side of the boat. With a heavy duty ratchet strap over the bow to the ground anchors and lines from my coaming winches to the anchors she is secured.

Not so much concerned about Hanna, its Ike that looks like the big boy!

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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 21:24:08

The current track projects Hannah's eye going directly over my boat, which means it will get winds from all directions! I went down tonight and turned the boat around anyhow -- to face E, where the winds will be strongest; doubled all the lines; and wrapped extra line around the jib, mainsail cover, and stowed bimini. Forecast is 50 kts. from the E, backing to 20 NW.

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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 11:22:44

This will be the first major storm I have experienced with the C-25 which like my former sailboats is on a mooring. However with former boats, taking all precautions with removing sails, gear, etc., I was always surprised by how I found the standing rigging after it was all over. One time a stay snapped, one time a turnbuckle unwound itself -- after breaking a cotter pin -- etc, etc. I will be removing the head sail later today and have lashed the main -- but will also be making one final check of the rigging and tiller tie-down.

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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 11:35:04

Tom, Brooke, Peter, et al,
Rita & I are thinking about you guys and hoping for the best. When you get a chance on the other side of the storms, let us know how you fared.

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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 13:04:03

Left work early yesterday and drove to Oriental to secure Enka. usually the Marina guys re-tie all the boats (I have a feeling they may even re-tie after I leave). We're ona floating dock, so I followed their direction, tied a few extra lines, hung fenders. I also foung the hatch in the cockpit footwell completely open. That would have been nasty. The mainsail was off anyway but I left the headsail, the wrap looked good pplus it ias a few bands of tape and two straps.

Ironically the marina guys don't seem worried about 50mph winds and 4-5ft of flooding.

PS: who owns the other C25 in my marina (Clancy's)? I wrote down the hull # but lost the paper, it was in the 2000's.

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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 14:38:44

Hannah passed over me at about 3 am. Otherwise business as usual. It is unique that Hannah will remain strong up to D.C. and beyond the arctic circle. Ike is supposed to pass right over Ft Lauderdale, but the error cone is 300 miles on either side. We will see.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 20:39:09

Brooke: The track is almost exactly the same for me--right over me with the same resulting wind predictions.

Peter: If your rigging is reasonably up to snuff, this will be, comparatively, a non-event for you. C-25 standing rigging can stand up to 50 knot winds just fine. Just make sure the boat is secured.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 09/06/2008 : 21:11:05

TS Hanna passed mid morning. The town (belhaven) I'm living in while we build our house flooded. Here's a couple pictures of the town and the last one taken from my house site as the storm was winding down.

Knotty Cat fared well no damage.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/07/2008 : 08:11:46

Wow! We really had it easy with this one. Even though it passed right over us, I slept peacefully on the boat, and didn't even hear the wind. The only way it's bad for us is if the wind is out of the east. Even then, my slip is sheltered from any wind or waves that come into the marina. The wind was only easterly for a little while, then it shifted to southeast. Even the storm surge was minimal, and we didn't have to adjust our lines. We were ready for it, but got a break.

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