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cat1951
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Initially Posted - 09/04/2008 : 15:04:13

We have had our C25 for a little less than 3 years now and I have caught the dreaded disease. Two Footitis has hit me hard. I really want a C270 for several reasons, the biggest is headroom, followed by the bunk under the cockpit, and a couple others. The biggest though is the headroom.. I come home every time with at least one new bump on my head from hitting the cabin top, or the track rail that the head screen runs on.

For the Admiral, it is wheel steering (she hate's a tiller)and an enclosed head. Even though I am ok with a tiller and the small porta potty, I know after 30 years of marriage ...31 on September 17th, that it's best to keep the Admiral happy.

Is there any cure for this?...or should I just give in?... don't really want to spend the money, but you probably know how it is.

Mike
Grand Lake, OK
N.O. Catalina 25 #4849
In my opinion 75% of the earth is water for a reason. That's why I sail.

Edited by - cat1951 on 09/04/2008 15:05:32

JohnP
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 16:10:48

For the price, why not get a good used C-34 or another 34? I just looked around Sailing Texas and some other sites. Here's a bargain: [url="http://www.sailingtexas.com/sbristol34100.html"]Bristol 34[/url]

There are so many boat designs and styles!!! The sky is the limit on each aspect - sailing fun, seaworthiness, roominess, price.

2-foot-itis, my foot!

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piseas
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 17:22:37

Mike, yes give in! Are you an idiot?

I wish my wife was that interested. But I would buy the biggest boat I could afford and handle. Don't look back.
Steve
PS Congrats on 30 years and here to another 30-unless you don't give in!

Steve A

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 19:09:53

IMHO: If you're going to jump up a notch (which takes you beyond easy trailerability), go up 5' or more. A 30'-32' boat isn't much different to sail or maintain and you'll get the room to really be comfortable aboard. Your needs my vary.

I'm planning to move up to 32' this winter. I want to spend some time offshore and the North Pacific demands a bit more boat than a C25.

Edited by - ClamBeach on 09/04/2008 19:15:42

Peregrine
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 19:48:41

I have to agree with ClamBeach.
When I first started looking at moving up from my Tanzer-22 I looked at C-27's because a friend had one.
There were more C-25's available and they were in better shape.
On one the earliest forums of this Assoc. a discussion of the differences between the 25 and the 27 came up and of course it leant towards the 25 but the reasons were sound.
The C-25 matches the 27 in many ways except for an inboard and headroom when the pop-top is down, however that inboard is a lot of weight and takes up room in the stern that is open on the 25.
I think the next step is the C-30. They are about as ubiquitous as the C-25 and a proven boat.
The geometric size difference will give you a major difference in range and comfort.
IMO – Save your boat units and take a real step up.
Good luck

Peregrine #4762

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 21:13:25

If you've got moorage, 30+ is the next step up.
I was moored beside a C27 and the owner envied my trailerability because she felt she had essentially the same boat as me.
Her opinion, not mine.

When I move up, it will be at least a 30'er probably 34.
Have fun, boat shopping with the Admiral's approval

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/04/2008 : 21:33:06

Thanks a bunch! Now I'm plotting how I can talk the admiral into a C30. My old slip neighbor has a C30 and I was really impressed how much more room it has below than the C25.

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 08:22:59

I should clarify a llittle, I am also looking at the C30's. I would really like a 28 MKII, but I don't see that I would get the biggest bang for my buck on that model. As far as mooring charges go, we are in a great place. We pay only $100 per month for our slip at a marina with an air conditioned clubhouse. It has a big kitchen for parties, big screen TV, pool table, and tables and chairs for eating inside. They supply a gas grill for BBQing and include the propane. There are bathrooms and showers that are well kept and each shower has a private dressing area.

The reason I mention it is because the highest price on the larger slips is $125 for anything over 40ft. So finding a place for a larger boat is just a matter of tellling the owner. The only reason that I am looking less than 30 ft has more to do with where I sail. While our lake is big, the bigger the boat, the smaller the lake feels. I think a 30' would be just at the longest that I want to consider.

Lastly, the Catalina is being considered only because we have one now, and it is a good solid boat. I don't know the other brands very well and am not sure what to stay away from. And if I want to go blue water sailing, I just talk my sister inlaw into taking us along. They have a 38' Island Packet clipper that they keep in FL.

JohnP - Funny that you linked to the Bristol 34 on the Texas Sailing website. Since I am in OK (although the boats aren't necessarily there) I look at the site 3-4 times a week. There is a Hunter 28 for sale on Grand Lake which is where we sail, but I am not totally sold on Hunters. I get a little nervous when they say they don't have stern headstay's. Also, I am looking for a boat that is 1999 or newer..well except for brand new. I want someone else to pay for the depreciation.

Edited by - cat1951 on 09/05/2008 08:34:50

frog0911
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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 09:25:28

Judging from you original post a C250 should be right up your wheelhouse. Enclosed head, head room and aft berth usability are all part of the mantra of a C250 WK. You might give them a look if your budget is tight. That is how I ended up in a C250. The general took a tour of one at a boat show and that did it, since a bigger boat was not a option due to a bridge with 38 feet of clearance. Hence the 79 C25, which was beginning to need some major repairs, got traded in on a new C250 with wheel, marine head etc. Who was I to turn down a new boat she wanted. That is how I stayed married for 47 years, doing everything she asked.

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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 09:25:51

Mike: I don't know the C-270 except for having stepped on one at a show several years ago... but I've sailed on the C-27--headroom and wider side-decks are about all it offers over the C-25. The C-28-II seems considerably bigger, but it's at the expense of storage. The C-30 is much more bang-for-the-buck than the 28-II, but I can see that it might seem like an ocean liner on some lakes. I'd think hard before going 270 over 30.

Jargon check: Don't call your sister-in-law's boat a "clipper" around her

--it's a "cutter" (two headsails). And "stern headstay" is a contradiction in terms--Hunter is missing the "backstay", but thankfully they still have a headstay! Just trying to keep you out of trouble...

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cat1951
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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 09:54:31

Thanks Dave, you are right... it is a cutter.. I hadn't finished my first cup of coffee yet. And I knew that stern headstay wasn't right, but the real term just wouldn't come to me and I knew headstay was wrong. Still, all in all, I am not sure if the lack of a backstay is such a big deal, but to me it just seems like something is missing.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 09/05/2008 : 15:11:26

I'd battled 2/3/5/10 foot-itis since I started sailing in '95 with dreams of one day retiring to a cruising lifestyle on an appropriately sized live aboard. I've subscribed to Cruising World, lusted after bigger boats, made daily scans of boat listings, cruised through boatyards looking for boats with "for sale" signs, and prepared the Admiral for the possibility of one day chucking everything and setting sail.

Then something happened rather recently, an epiphany of sorts, that made me realize that the cruising life wasn't for me. You see, the thing about sailing that I'm addicted to is really only the actual sailing part. I'm not a dock lingerer. If I'm at the boat, then I'm going sailing. Cooking, lounging, sleeping, and everything else that isn't sailing doesn't interest me. If I had the choice of staying in the marina barbecuing on the stern or going out sailing, I'd opt to starve and go sailing. I've only overnighted at the marina a couple of times many years ago. As a matter of fact, if you added up all the time I spent below decks this year, outside of using the bathroom, I don't think it would add up to an hour total.

So needless to say, I no longer have the urge to move up in size as I once did because it would be somewhat pointless since I would just use it the same way I use my current boat.

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