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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 11:21:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 I support the efforts of our officers and put my trust in them. Lets get this back on topic. Go out and Vote.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The objective of a few people here with some historical perspective is to help newer members elect officers who can be trusted to put forth efforts that will enhance and not unravel the association. One of the problems is purposeful obfuscation. I'm done now.

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Steve Milby
Past Commodore

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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 12:28:47

My involvement with the National Association began in 1983, when I raced in the first National Regatta and was subsequently elected Chief Measurer. The next year, I was elected Commodore. Since then I have either been actively involved with the National Association in an unofficial manner, or have kept up with its activities through the Mainsheet.

Arlyn Stewart's comments referred to a year, many years ago, when the officers decided that the National Association should pay all their expenses to attend the National Regatta. They spent a lot of money on themselves, the members were outraged, and it nearly destroyed the National Association. That happened long before any of the current officers were involved in the National Association. It happened so long ago that not many of us are still around who even remember the incident. No current officers had anything to do with it. Since then, the officers have not benefitted themselves by abusing the treasury. Arlyn's comment was made because, a year or so ago one of the officers suggested that their expenses should be paid to the National Regatta, and Arlyn and I both expressed our opposition to the idea in the strongest possible terms. I made reference to the occasion when it had happened before, with such disastrous consequences. The officers completely and properly rejected the suggestion.

Neither the racers, nor the current Commodore have "...tried to use the Association to further their own interests." Nor have they "...used their power to restrict voting to attendance to the so called 'Nationals' or tried to raise dues to pay for trips to Nationals." The time and manner of voting is governed by the By-Laws, which are published elsewhere on this website, for all to see. The suggestion to pay officers' expenses was made and promptly dismissed by the officers. John's suggestion that he has been fighting the good fight on behalf of the members is not consistent with the facts.

It is well known that our officers serve voluntarily, without pay and without perks or benefits of any kind. The primary motivation of the officers seems to be to keep this organization functioning, so that the free flow of information and camaraderie will continue. Financial reports are made regularly, so that any member can see where their money goes.

One of the benefits of the internet is that it's hard to fool people with false claims when there are so many people around who actually know the facts.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 13:13:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 I support the efforts of our officers and put my trust in them. Lets get this back on topic. Go out and Vote.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> One of the problems is purposeful obfuscation.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Being that my vocabulary doesn't match yours, here is "purposeful obfuscation explained. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JHctWztRww

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 15:11:42

I have voted. The process was easy! Thanks to the guys who set up the voting process.

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C25-Observer
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Response Posted - 09/12/2008 : 22:24:28

"That happened long before any of the current officers were involved in the National Association.'

Ooopss...

Many thanks Steve...

You might want to do some home work and rethink yourr post.
Fair Breezes. He He...

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 09/13/2008 : 10:01:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 Is Peregrine and C25 Observer the same person?
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I ask again. Is Peregrine and C25 Observer the same person?
seems like a simple question with a one word answer that an honest person could easily respond to.

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C25-Observer
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Response Posted - 09/13/2008 : 10:21:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 Is Peregrine and C25 Observer the same person?
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I ask again. Is Peregrine and C25 Observer the same person?
seems like a simple question with a one word answer that an honest person could easily respond to.

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Asked and answered on this thread.

"Dave and our Commodore would love it if C25-Observer was just one person. The ID and blog is shared by a few contributors who weigh in when the mood strikes. They are a concerned and irreverent group of C25 owners (owners Dave).
As for the comment above, Bill Meinert allowed (urged?) Dave and the others he lists above to attack John Gisondi, who posts under “Peregrine” then he locked the thread before John could respond.

In anybody’s book that is working the forum to get the results he wants.

http://c25-250-observer.blogspot.com/
Visit the Blog read the truth. Careful we play rough there.

We will post any comments that are not out right lies or contain obscenities."

Fair Breezes
C25-Observer

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dlucier
Master Marine Consultant

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Response Posted - 09/13/2008 : 10:24:17

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 09/13/2008 : 11:14:26

Thank you.
Easily answered by an honest person.

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mhartong
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Response Posted - 09/13/2008 : 11:44:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">[i]I ask again. Is Peregrine and C25 Observer the same person?;seems like a simple question with a one word answer that an honest person could easily respond to.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You are right, an honest person could easily respond. Unfortunately people with adjustment disorders rarely recognize their illness. One can say for sure that both user ID's are using the same service provider (Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems)), and both have the exact same IP address (24.188.15.27). Given this, plus the similarity in language, grammar and message content here and on the web page, there is an EXTREMELY high probability that they are the same person. The only way to be 100% absolutely sure, unless the person will voluntarily admit to it, is to either get a court order from a judge/magistrate with jurisdiction or a valid national security letter and go to the ISP. They are just not worth the trouble.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 09/13/2008 : 21:37:16

I for one would have a hard time voting for a person who needs to hide.
Thankfully, there are two fine alternatives on the ballot.

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piseas
Former Treasurer

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Response Posted - 09/19/2008 : 14:10:46

Just as an update, only 31 paid members have voted out of 600!
That is 5%- ouch! Voting closes on the 26th of Sept. I am not sure what those who have not voted yet are waiting for. But time is running out. I know there is no law or requirement in the by laws, that I know of, to force you to vote.

Remember how much you get out of this Association every time you make a post for help and are giving help to others. Either way YOU OWE this association. It is your duty.

Why is voting important? It is the right to vote that enables you to express your opinions as to the fitness of our elected leaders and their policies.

But by not voting you are abdicating your right to influence this association and allowing the will of others, whose opinions maybe contrary to your own, to prevail. And more importantly, by not voting you are allowing it to be no longer the will of the majority that governs this body, but rather, the will of the minority.

It's time for you to change and become involved in the process that will affect you.
Only you, with your vote, can make the difference.
Make a difference and VOTE.

Steve A

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