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dmpilc
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Initially Posted - 09/24/2008 : 12:52:38

Is it possible to move the Association Business section on the All Forums Screen to place it above the general and fleets section? When I bring up the All forums screen, the business section is off screen and I tend to forget it is there. Edit: My screen display stops at swap Meet.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 12:56:41

YES

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piseas
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 14:29:04

Duane, I posed the same question to Paul and my understanding is that it would be extremely difficult. I was also asking about other changes which he may have been responding to. I am wondering how you know this as Paul is the Web Master. Don't get me wrong, I would love to change that as well.
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 14:37:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 Is it possible to move the Association Business section on the All Forums Screen to place it above the general and fleets section? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Excellent suggestion.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 14:37:47

Doesn't seem like we've been gone that long, huh, Duane? Steve, Duane basically singlehandedly designed and structured the new website as you see it today. Assume you would love David's suggested change, as well, and not a change in Web Masters. ;-) I think Paul was only referring to the extreme difficulties inherent in attempting to identify paid members of the association versus non-paying guests to the forum in his prior response regarding trying to tag the differences here in the forum.

P.s. David, if you change your text size (menu View/Text Size) to something smaller the lower categories will be pulled up into your initial screen view so you don't have to scroll down to see them. However, you might explore use of the Active Topics function; especially if you visit the forum on a regular basis.

Edited by - Sea Trac on 09/24/2008 14:39:44

Champipple
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 15:08:06

also link to the main page of the forum and not a lower page.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 15:53:13

My apology for the ambiguity.

I indicated that it would be difficult to move the members feedback area to the top of the list as it is part of the assoc biz category.

However, we could easily move the whole assoc biz category to the top, that contains the member feedback category.

Paul

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piseas
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 18:26:57

Paul, Can we do that YESTERDAY?
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 06:44:18

Paul - you can move just the forum without changing the entire category order. Edit the forum properties and change the forum category in the drop down. You shouldn't need to go into the admin menu to do this. (which based on your reply looks like what you think you need to do.)

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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 07:13:45

Duane, thanks, I just reviewed that part of the system management that I had not previously used.
I stand corrected.

It is possible to relocate the members feedback and move it above the general forum within the 'Sailors Forums'

My apologies for giving incorrect info previously.

Paul

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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 07:15:32

Not wishing to derail the subject, but if the Officers decided to go ahead with the option to relocate the members feedback forum to a higher position, (that's the kind of decision we pay them for

) then they might consider relocating the testing forum out of the way. If the intent is to raise awareness of the members feedback area by virtue of it's position in the forum hierarchy, then the testing forum should be way down the list.

If you have not already done so, please vote. Less than 48 hours remaining.

Paul

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 08:20:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 If the intent is to raise awareness of the members feedback area by virtue of it's position in the forum hierarchy, then the testing forum should be way down the list.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The testing forum is positioned there for the benefit of new people. After reading the first things first, they can then simply drop down and practice in the kiddie pool before jumping into the shark infested ocean of the regular forums.

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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 09:35:59

If you move Member Feedback up into the "main group", should it not be called Association Business (like the group it came from, which will have nothing left in it)? The essence of Jim B's suggestion is that it should be used for all association news, issues, and debates on those issues (instead of the General forum)--not just "feedback" from members (for example, on the need to click twice).

Then, following on Jim's theme, we could name the General forum something like "Sailing Forum--All Boats". I think that'd make the intention clearer.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/25/2008 09:43:07

dlucier
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 09:42:48

Excellent point Dave. Maybe it should be named Association Business/Member Feedback/Forum Q&A...etc, or something like that to more clearly define the intent of that particular forum.

Just more food for thought...

Edited by - dlucier on 09/25/2008 09:43:24

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 10:37:18

Before you get overly excited about this suggestion, let's look at exactly what it will do.

The proposal is, in essence, to keep Rule 6, which will prevent members from engaging in even the most innocent discussion of Association business on the General Forum, and subject them to expulsion if they violate that rule. Such discussions will, however, be permitted in a dark corner of the Forum, where nobody ever goes, called the Association Business Forum. BUT, that forum will be moved to a more prominent place on the forum's web page, in the unrealistic hope that by doing so, we members will be motivated to actually click on that page and read the boring, mundane stuff that will usually be found there.

You can wrap a satin bow around Rule 6, but it still stifles the rights of our members to speak freely and openly about legitimate Association business, without reprisals.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 09/25/2008 10:38:14

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 13:51:38

Steve, I personally am not trying to defend Rule 6. In fact, I've already suggested that the Forum Rules (#8 in particular), which are in effect Association Bylaws, must be approved "by a vote of the Regular Members" according to Article "VIIII" (sic) in our Constitution. Duane says they never were. I think, as a compromise, the new officers can:

1. Reorganize the forums to distinguish "sailing talk" from association issues, and to raise the visibility of association issues.

2. Draft a new set of rules for review by the members, and then conduct a formal vote to legitimize them.

However, the issue the officers and membership should ponder is whether putting association "business", such as calls for nominations and notices of ballots, in the Association Business forum will attract enough attention to them. As it is, we not only put these things in the General Forum--we make them "sticky" so they're even more visible. Do we give that up? If not, do we simultaneously prevent members from seeking similar (albeit non-sticky) visibility for an association issue they consider worthy of awareness and discussion?

Some people don't want to see this stuff--some do. The paid members (minus non-owners?) should decide.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 09/25/2008 13:58:52

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 16:42:18

Dave, I understand the sentiment that people often have to compromise, but on the issue of freedom of expression, I have never seen a workable compromise. Any compromise on freedom of expression results in an erosion of one's rights. If members are required to "seek a sticky" or obtain permission to open a new thread to discuss association business on the General Forum, then the only threads that will be "approved" will be ones which are complimentary to the officers. If the members object to a treasurer's report, or the amount of money spent for any given purpose, the new thread won't be "approved." We've all seen enough of government and small town politics to understand that.

What mechanisms does government use to silence protesters? They threaten them with penalties, or try to make them go someplace where they will be out of sight, or they make them obtain a permit before they can assemble and speak out. That's a disgraceful way for government to treat it's citizens, and it would be equally disgraceful for this association to treat its members that way. Our members deserve better, fairer, more ethical treatment than that.

We agree that the final choice belongs to our members, and it's my hope that they are now sufficiently well-informed with regard to the issues that they will be able to protect their own interests.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 18:36:02

Thanks, Don. Dave, I'm not talking about moving it into the main group. All I was suggesting doing was this: There are 4 or 5 section headings on the All Forums screen, each highlighted in a blue background, one of which is labeled Association Business. I was suggesting moving that section up to follow the section called Information for First Time Users. After that would be the "main" fleets section (Sailors' Forums), where the general and fleet forums are. Sorry, I didn't mean to start another long-winded thread.

Edited 10/20/08:
Thanks for moving the business section to the top of the screen!

Edited by - dmpilc on 10/20/2008 10:21:22

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