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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 10/25/2008 : 08:42:19

I think Sten has the best response ! Good story ! We should save that someplace in a Forum listing of memorable comments.

It kind of reminds me of 7 Habits/Principles Of Centered Leadership training that I had taken years ago. A Section of it had to do with building up your "emotional bank account" rather than draining it down to zero.

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smoken
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Response Posted - 10/26/2008 : 08:16:58

Frank, hope your not loosing any sleep about a momentary lapse in judgement. At least you gave it the proper attention after the fact or we wouldn't be seeing it here. Myself I try to forget my day to day verbal eruptions, it makes it much easier to later clam " I don't remember that", want a beer? From meeting you, I'm sure your still a solid member of the human race and a darn good sailor!!! What more could you want???
Take care

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 10/26/2008 : 09:18:57

Frank you've helped us all enough over the years that you're still on the positive side of the Kharma account!

What caused this guys boat to start sinking?

Maybe you could add a deposit to the Kharma account if you went over and asked the owner to have a beer with you with no one else around (not even his wife). Start a conversation about the events surrounding the near sinking of his boat and then tactfully point out some of your other concerns about the condition of his boat. If he gets defensive you could point out the danger he may be putting himself, his loved ones, and possibly his rescuers in by sailing a boat in the condition it's in.

We've all discussed how stupid other boaters can be, maybe he's just stupid or maybe he's truly ignorant of the condition of his boat and/or has too much pride to ask for help OR maybe he's the jerk by putting his family at risk by not properly maintaining his boat.

If he still wants to be a jerk then you could point out as you're getting up and walking away that if his mast falls down and hurts someone or damages another boat that he could get his a@# sued into oblivion and you would be more than willing to testify against him.

If you really want to cleanse your soul, you could admit that you wanted to let his boat sink because of the condition it's in.

As I said above, you're on the positive side of the Kharma account. Thanks for helping us all over time!

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 13:29:23

We have a karma box, a little black sea chest maybe six inches square, that good friends gave us when we bought Aquavite. It works.

We also have a next door dock neighbor with a Pearson 33. Was in nice shape, but he's neglected it now for over five years.

I have cleaned it a couple of times in addition to hosing it down, but it's getting to be a real ugly blight on the neighborhood. I've wished it sunk any number of times.

Just end-for-ended his starboard dock line - it was chafing on his chock and ready to go - his slip has a concrete piling on his port side, so he woulda really gotten slammed.

A bit o'both in this story. Now that our rains have started it might be easier to clean my side of his boat again...

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 04:30:00

It's been really hard to stay out of this discussion, since dealing with guilt, contrition, absolution, and grace is my profession.

Not being Hindi, I don't believe in karma. However, I do believe that "whatsoever you sow, you shall also reap." I also believe that the reason to help people who are in trouble -- or who are in need in any way -- is because it's the right thing to do. You don't do it because it's good for you, you do it because it's good for them. That's the fundamental spiritual law of the universe: "He who seeks to save his own life will lose it; he who loses his life for my sake and for the gospel's will find it."

The question isn't whether you're going to "h-e-double hockey sticks" (how inane. If the word hell is good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me). The question is whether people on that sad boat are going to drown -- or whether they're going to learn the real joys of sailing. It's not about you.

One of the biggest things I have always appreciated about the sailing community is just that -- it's a community. Comm - unity: together one. Caring begets caring, builds community, and everyone benefits. When we fail to care for each other, for whatever reason, it destroys community, and everybody suffers.

And that's my sermon for Election Day.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 06:40:41

Amen!

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 08:02:49

Here's another slant on it that even adds some self-interest to the equation...

Every day, each of us has at least one opportunity to decide whether to do something to make things around us a little better, or to make them worse--and to act on that decision. It could be in the car, when we could either exercise our "right of way" (with the horn), or defer to somebody who has shown a slight lapse in situational awareness. It could be in the supermarket, with a cart full of stuff, when the person behind us is holding two items. Or when we see a discarded plastic cup as we're walking along a road. Little things...

Our dicision to make things a little better (instead of a little worse) is just like voting--it seems insignficant... but the majority rules, and a vote for "better" counts. It might even inspire somebody else to vote like you. So if you want "better" around you, vote for it in some little way, every day.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 09:14:37

I'm surprised that this topic garnered so much response. It's great to see that so many people care about their fellow man in this often vilified (by the foreign press) American society. However as one of the first responders to this thread I feel a little guilty because my condemnation of Frank's actions (or lack thereof) was not based on concern for my fellow man, or due to any sense of altruism. I was thinking about the boat! I believe that boats are not inanimate objects like TVs, toasters, and trucks. Boats, especially sail boats, have a life of their own. I believe they possess a rudimentary form of soul, or at least a Chi (life force) that responds to human vibrations, and acts as a transceiver between them and the forces of the earth and sea. Consequently a boat is always worth the time and effort to save regardless of it's "owner's" personality. I know that this quasi-religious view may seem strange and a bit extreme, but if you are honest with yourself, don't you really believe that your boat is more than just the the sum of it's fiberglass and aluminum.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 12:54:08

I don't now about boats having a life of their own but I do know that every year I have a number of requests from people to help them with their boats - either with a repair, equipment installation or setup, or with setup and launch. This year it was six. Before I new it, it was late July and, because of work, I didn't have my boat in. I never did get it launched this year. Despite that, I enjoy helping people, particularly if it involves sail boats. My wife thinks I'm nuts but, there it is.

I'm not sure I can villify Frank for not helping his dock neighbor though either. Some folks are content with what they have. I have a friend who bought a 40' foot Beneteau a few years ago that had most of its running rigging fabricated from what amounted to clothes line. Go figure.

We also had a member of our club who refused to haul his 22'Venture
before November every year. After several seasons of offering to help he finally left it until it iced in. The ice gradually crushed the hull at its mooring. In the spring the Coast Guard got on our case over the possibility of an oil or gas spill. The club finally ended up pumping the boat out and beaching it. Some folks don't get he message even after you offer to help I guess.

I wouldn't be surprised if Frank's neighbor patched the leak and docked his boat without making any further effort to repair, replace, or spruce up after the sinking.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 11/05/2008 : 08:04:32

Quote: "That's the fundamental spiritual law of the universe: "He who seeks to save his own life will lose it; he who loses his life for my sake and for the gospel's will find it."
And that's my sermon for Election Day."

Sounds a lot like Kharma to me! Only thing, that whole losing one's life to find it stuff - sounds too crazy! (Ever noticed how God settled down once he had a kid? Before that he was turning people into pillars of salt, ordering 100 year old guys to sacrifice their only son, and generally messing with people.I don't know about you, but I would have waited for Frank to build me a C25 rather than walk thru a river!)

Quote: "It's been really hard to stay out of this discussion, since dealing with guilt, contrition, absolution, and grace is my profession."

Second oldest profession in the world!

Quote:"I believe that boats are not inanimate objects like TVs, toasters, and trucks. Boats, especially sail boats, have a life of their own. I believe they possess a rudimentary form of soul, or at least a Chi (life force) that responds to human vibrations, and acts as a transceiver between them and the forces of the earth and sea."

Renzo, damn dude - you are the man! You get it! This is why boats named Second Chance or My Children's Inheritence are often out of sync with the forces of the sea and Goddess Mother Earth - I'd become a Pagan if they sent me the sign up sheet

- Anyway, boats should be named after Goddesses or at least relative to the sea in my opinion. This lines up all of the Chi with the Kharma and squelches the Dogma of the status quo - who basically just renounced their status quo-ness with the election results of last night

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I'm Sten and I approved this message!

Sten

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SV Lysistrata - C&C 39 - On the ICW 20 SM north od Oriental NC - headed south

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