Association Forum - traveler modification

Assn Members Area · Join

Home.

Association Forum

Ships Store

Cruising

Racing

Technical Tips

Photo Gallery - New

Boat Search - Updated

Manuals & Brochures

Swap Meet

Links

Officer Flag Line & Staff

Bylaws & Constitution

Members Area

Join the Association

Notice:
The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.

Association Forum

Username:	Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

All Forums

Catalina/Capri 25/250 Sailor's Forums

Catalina 25 Specific Forum

traveler modification

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Author

Topic

Seabird
Deckhand

Member Avatar

2 Posts

Initially Posted - 11/01/2008 : 16:31:27

Has anyone relocated the traveler from off of the transome; and if so where did you place it?

Edited by - on

Ed Cassidy
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
365 Posts

Response Posted - 11/01/2008 : 16:34:48

Mine was moved to an arch over the cabin. See the signature photo.

Edited by - on

dlucier
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Virgin Islands (United Kingdom)
7583 Posts

Response Posted - 11/01/2008 : 23:05:56

Edited by - on

Ed Cassidy
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
365 Posts

Response Posted - 11/02/2008 : 01:41:57

Don,
One of these days, when I'm not up in the middle of the night working, I'm going to have to figure out how you do that. Thanks again.

Edited by - on

Even Chance
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
393 Posts

Response Posted - 11/02/2008 : 04:45:25

Check the Catalina 25 Tech Tips: click on the bimini.

Edited by - on

Bortiquai
1st Mate

Members Avatar

88 Posts

Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 12:18:27

Someone once suggested to me to Put it on top of the Pushpit to give the traveler bar extra length. I just wonder if it's strong enough.

Edited by - on

Even Chance
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
393 Posts

Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 04:10:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Bortiquai
 Someone once suggested to me to Put it on top of the Pushpit to give the traveler bar extra length. I just wonder if it's strong enough.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If by "pushpit" you mean the stern railing -- which is the traditional meaning of the word -- you're going to have a little problem with the backstay(s).

Edited by - on

Happy D
Admiral

Members Avatar

921 Posts

Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 06:17:23

Does changing the traveller increase performance that much?

Edited by - on

aeckhart
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1709 Posts

Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 13:19:48

Allowing the traveler more......"travel", is actually a safety feature when heavy weather sailing. Easing the traveler opens the leach of the main, spilling wind, correcting excesive heal and easing weather helm. It's the first adjustment before reefing thee main.

Ours are considered by many, including me, to be too short, and thus of limited practical use.

Edited by - aeckhart on 11/04/2008 13:21:12

Derek Crawford
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
3321 Posts

Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 15:21:18

I modified the traveler control lines (see latest Mainsheet) so that the crew could adjust its position. We now use it most of the time - it hauls the boom to the center line when going to weather (lets you point higher) and ease it going downwind. It can be a very useful sail control.
Leaving it as the factory set-up makes it a useless piece of equipment.

Edited by - on

dlucier
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Virgin Islands (United Kingdom)
7583 Posts

Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 16:00:14

The stock 20" or so transom mounted traveller on our C25's probably has the same amount of travel as that of a 4" companionway mounted traveller.

Edited by - on

andy
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
228 Posts

Response Posted - 11/06/2008 : 23:57:35

Guys,
I hate to keep beating it to death, but this works incredibly well.

Edited by - on

pastmember
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

2402 Posts

Response Posted - 11/07/2008 : 08:39:15

Andy, I have to ask, windward sheeting cars are for travelers at the helm station or at the very least out in the cockpit where the trimmer is inline with the cleat. When I look at your car and the traveler placement it does not look optimal. There is no mechanical advantage and the cleats are facing the backrests and the whole thing is too far forward to be in reach of the helm. If it were mine I would sell the windward car and get a simple car with a single sheave on each side and go with end of traveler cleats with a turning block which would face the helm.

Harken part 2736

Harken Part 2741

Edited by - on

aeckhart
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1709 Posts

Response Posted - 11/07/2008 : 14:57:38

Andy,

Do you have a photo of the boom bail attachment point?

Edited by - aeckhart on 11/07/2008 14:57:52

bigelowp
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
1776 Posts

Response Posted - 11/07/2008 : 19:51:26

A friend who is a rigger keeps telling me that the main traveler SHOULD be closer to the companionway to the cabin. That may be true, but, I am not a racer and I like the cockpit openness for entertaining, et all. So, if you race, you should look at either close to the companion way (attached to the cockpit seats) or a "bridge" over the companionway hatch -- Lewmar and Harken have such units on their web site or via Defender, West or other marine suppliers. If you just want good, inexpensive sailing, the current (original) configuration works just fine . . .

Edited by - on

Even Chance
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
393 Posts

Response Posted - 11/08/2008 : 05:22:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 the whole thing is too far forward to be in reach of the helm.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Wow, your arms must be really short. The cockpit is a little over 6' long; the tiller comes to the middle of the cockpit; if you sit at the forward end of the tiller (mechanical advantage, keeping the tiller out of your belly in a turn), the mainsheet block is less than an arm's length away. That's why I moved my traveler forward.

At the same time, I agree about the lack of mechanical advantage of his traveler setup, and the pain (literal and figurative) of the traveler just where my wife likes to sit. I find it hard to believe the C25 really needs that length of traveler, especially at mid-boom.

To continue to flog a decomposed horse, look at my traveler in the tech tips. It really, really works.

Edited by - on

Happy D
Admiral

Members Avatar

921 Posts

Response Posted - 11/08/2008 : 06:55:04

Brooke, I can't find it. Can you point me towards it?

Edited by - on

Even Chance
Captain

Members Avatar

USA
393 Posts

Response Posted - 11/08/2008 : 14:35:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Happy D
 Brooke, I can't find it. Can you point me towards it?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Technical Tips (up there on the left side of this page) -- Catalina 25 -- click on the bimini -- Even Chance

Edited by - Even Chance on 11/08/2008 14:44:51

andy
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
228 Posts

Response Posted - 11/08/2008 : 18:20:20

We race the boat successfully and I can sheet the car single handed. I steer (with an extension) sitting as far forward as possible, sometimes on the gunnel right above the traveler track. You don't need 3 or 4 to one with a C25... keep it simple. We use every inch of the track in heavy air. I use the traveler in lieu of mainsail trim in the puffs.

Everybody has valid ideas that no doubt work for them. There are two C25's in our club with this set up and I personally wouldn't set it up any other way...it works like a charm.

Both these boats have the same traveler setup... 45 North on the right, Carpe Diem II on the left.

Edited by - andy on 11/08/2008 18:32:00

Derek Crawford
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
3321 Posts

Response Posted - 11/16/2008 : 15:55:20

Andy - that modification makes it Class illegal, and it should also adversely affect your PHRF rating - at least it would under PHRF of the Alamo (Canyon Lake)

Edited by - on

andy
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
228 Posts

Response Posted - 11/17/2008 : 11:37:06

Derek,
I know... I can switch it back in 5 min. I'll be class legal if I take the boat to S.F next summer. I will if I can put together the $ for the right sail package for the Bay, and don't have a photo job that week.
We use portsmouth ratings for our club races...I have to give 'em a little...

I really hate the stock traveler set up...it's marginal at best.

Edited by - on

dmpilc
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
4593 Posts

Response Posted - 11/17/2008 : 13:02:15

In the C-22 class, we are class legal using a barney post, which moves the mainsheet forward of the tiller, but still keeps the mainsheet connected to the traveler on the transom. My mainsheet runs from the becket on the boom end block down to a block on the traveler car, back up to the boom end block, then forward to another block hanging from the boom, then down to the block and swivel cam on top of the barney post. Is that class legal with a C-25? And instead of the barney post, could I use the short traveler at the companionway step and be class legal (sheet still connected to the transom traveler)? Would that put too much twist in the main? right now, I'm happy on the C-25 with the standard set-up, but I seldom race the C-25. One thing I have done on the C-25 is that I have a single line coming from the boom end down to a Harkin Airblock that the mainsheet goes through. When I am close hauled, that block is as close to the fiddle block on the traveler car as I can get it. The idea is that the single line eliminates a lot of line that has to be hauled in or let out when we tack or go to a reach/run.

Edited by - dmpilc on 11/17/2008 13:08:34

Topic

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Jump To:

Association Forum

Notice: The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.