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Steve Raffel
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Initially Posted - 11/02/2008 : 21:08:18

Has anyone ever used a docking device called the Landing Loop see http://www.landingloop.com/?

Steve Raffel
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/02/2008 : 21:27:24

Take a look at what [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15645&SearchTerms=dock,o,matic"]Randy calls a Dock-o-Matic[/url]. I think it is actually far better than the "loop" device since it doesn't require a pole. It works great!

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 06:14:31

Steve,

I have a version of this I would sell for $10 plus shipping. I will take a picture of what I have and send it to you tonight or tomorrow. Let me know if your interested. I don't have a use for it since I am in a very protected dockage.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 06:30:19

When I saw this in the latest BoatUS magazine, I though Randy would have a 'Dang!' moment!

Paul

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 08:30:35

My docking technique uses the opposite approach. I have a permanent line attached to the dock with a loop on the bitter end. When entering the slip, I simply place the loop over the winch and the boat coasts gently to a stop.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 09:05:41

" I have a permanent line attached to the dock with a loop on the bitter end. When entering the slip, I simply place the loop over the winch and the boat coasts gently to a stop."

Guy a couple slips down has a variant on this theme... a piece of PVC pipe mounted to the dock holds the free end of the line up where it can be easily reached.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 10:16:23

I put together a Dock-o-Matic like Randy's and use it. It works great and the Admiral (Who doesnt want anything to do with steering the boat) can hook it on from the cockpit and not have to go forward.

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Steve Raffel
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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 10:34:00

Chris, Thanks for your offer. Unfortunately, I have purchased the Landing Loop so I'll see how it works. If it fails, I'll let let you know.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Chris Z
 Steve,

I have a version of this I would sell for $10 plus shipping. I will take a picture of what I have and send it to you tonight or tomorrow. Let me know if your interested. I don't have a use for it since I am in a very protected dockage.
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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 10:59:39

We use a version of Randy's Dock-o-matic as well. It makes docking in our difficult current/tide/wind situation a bit less stressful. Rita's gotten pretty good with it after a few tries.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 11:31:33

FYI...If you ever pull into a slip at my marina, leave your landing loop/dock-o-matics stowed because we don't have any cleats or pilings.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 11:37:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 Guy a couple slips down has a variant on this theme... a piece of PVC pipe mounted to the dock holds the free end of the line up where it can be easily reached.
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No need to do this at my marina since the dock is level with the coaming top.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 12:44:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 FYI...If you ever pull into a slip at my marina, leave your landing loop/dock-o-matics stowed because we don't have any cleats or pilings.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What then... Frog Hooks?

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 13:09:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 FYI...If you ever pull into a slip at my marina, leave your landing loop/dock-o-matics stowed because we don't have any cleats or pilings.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What then... Frog Hooks?
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Welded steel loops.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 14:07:31

Yes, Paul, I had a "DANG" moment when I saw the ad in this month's BoatUS magazine. I coulda been rich!

We also considered Don's technique of leaving the line attached to the dock but that doesn't work when you cruise outside your own area and use other marinas/slips. We wanted every docking to be practice so we opt for the line on the boat.

Don, we've been to quite a few marinas and have never seen a welded loop before.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 14:09:18

I drop the loop over the wooden piling at the end of my slip. Ours appear to be a bit more substantial that Don's though.

I've added an adjustable mid-ship cleat to my jib track and leave my spring line (a.k.a. "dock-o-matic")attached to it. The line is the perfect length to stop the boat short of the end of the slip. I never leave the cockpit while singlehandedly impressing the dock neighbors.

I think it makes more sense to take the line with you rather than to leave it on the dock. It keeps more options open

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 14:29:17

Don, I have never seen welded steel loops. How does that work (Ive got my own ideas) and is that a pain or pleasure!

Steve A

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Chris Z
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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 14:29:39

We always leave our''s at the dock. It keeps the length just right and no need to ask guests to try and hold the lines. We just slip the loop through the cleat on the boat. I also keep two extra sets on the boat in case we want to raft up, dock somewhere, or any emergency.

One thing I would like to see is if anyone has goood idea that would leave the lines hanging from some type of hook on the dock that would make it easy to grab.

I have seen a few on our docks, but looking for something more inventive. I thought it would be nice to have something that was a hook that was spring loaded so it could move out of the way as the boat comes into the dock.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 16:11:48

Parallel question....how do you grab a mooring ball when you are single handed? I have a pick-up float on my own mooring, but if the wind is a little stiff, it is a bit edgy. I've never had an incident but it is easy to envision things could go wrong quickly.

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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 19:37:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by glivs
 Parallel question....how do you grab a mooring ball when you are single handed? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I never had to do this, but I've thought about it... I'd probably run a line from the bow cleat to the stern cleat along the starboard side (because my engine was starboard), outside of the stanchions. I'd have a snap-shackle ready in the cockpit. I'd come up to the mooring ball, head-to-wind, so the ball is approaching the cocpit on the starboard side, pick up the pennant, and snap-shackle it to the aforementioned line. Then I'd back down and let the shackle and penant slide forward on the line to the bow... put the engine in neutral, and move up to the bow. If the mooring has a double pennant, I'd just drop the other loop on a bow cleat and then unshackle and put the first loop on the other cleat. If there's a single pennant, I'd have a bridle with two loops (and vinyl hose around the rope between them)... slip it through the pennant loop, and make it to both bow cleats--then unshackle the pennant.

How does that sound?

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Steve Raffel
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Response Posted - 11/03/2008 : 22:01:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Chris Z
 We always leave our''s at the dock. It keeps the length just right and no need to ask guests to try and hold the lines. We just slip the loop through the cleat on the boat. I also keep two extra sets on the boat in case we want to raft up, dock somewhere, or any emergency.

One thing I would like to see is if anyone has goood idea that would leave the lines hanging from some type of hook on the dock that would make it easy to grab.

I have seen a few on our docks, but looking for something more inventive. I thought it would be nice to have something that was a hook that was spring loaded so it could move out of the way as the boat comes into the dock.
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Chris we've used a Line Caddy for several years. It works quite well: http://www.linecaddy.com/

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Response Posted - 11/04/2008 : 07:33:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by piseas
 Don, I have never seen welded steel loops. How does that work (I've got my own ideas) and is that a pain or pleasure!

Steve A
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They work great. I fasten my docklines, which are set to the proper length, to the loops in the spring then untie them in the fall. In between, its just a matter of pulling into the slip and slipping the dockline eye splices over the cleats on the boat. If it takes me 60 seconds to set all my lines, then I must have paused to talk to someone.

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Response Posted - 11/06/2008 : 06:20:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I never had to do this, but I've thought about it... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Thanks Dave, I like your ideas. It certainly would provide a better safety margin than my current approach of leaving the cockpit at the last moment. I've also never seen a bridle like you describe but it should work great.

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Response Posted - 11/06/2008 : 11:42:37

Don - what type of knot do you use to secure the docklines to the steel loops?

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 11/06/2008 : 14:07:30

Mostly round turn and two half hitches.

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