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Rich P
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Initially Posted - 12/02/2008 : 21:02:48

I am the new "owner" of a C-25 that has definately seen better days (obvious by the picture). She was moored in way to shallow of an area and during a low tide must have been leaning a bit too far with heavy seas that washed over and filled the hull with water. I have since floated the boat (3" gas powered pump) and got her back to a dock (with enough water for a fixed keel). So far I have removed everything (that didn't wash away), have the hatch covers and cushions drying to make templates out of, got the 9.9 outboard running, gave her a solid pressure wash inside and out, and got the majority of the lights clean and working. I will be spending some time reading the archives and look forward to getting some great responses on the many questions I will have as well as helping out when I can.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 12/02/2008 : 21:09:55

Looks like you've got a project! I'd suggest you have the boat hauled out and check the keel/hull connection. If the boat was laying on its side and getting pounded by waves it could have caused damage there. Make sure the keel bolts are tight, etc. I would think most of the other elements of the boat and its systems would be OK. Good luck with her. You will get lots of good advice on this forum.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/02/2008 : 22:22:50

Very sorry to hear of your misfortune, Rich P. Where are you located? Hope you have access to a trailer or lift to get her out of the water for a thorough drying-out.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2008 : 22:34:23

Welcome, Rich! That's a sad picture. Did you buy her after that, or did it happen to you?

I see the outboard ended up under water (mounted on port)... Have you followed the prescribed steps for a salt-water dunking, which I believe includes a bath in fresh water followed by a virtual shower in WD-40 or something similar? Residual salt will eventually eat up things like the coil and who knows what else... It isn't immediate, and you won't know when it'll happen. (Don't ask how I know this.)

Other areas to be concerned about are your electrical panel, which should probably be replaced, and the port winch, which should be taken apart, flushed, and re-lubed as the manufacturer specifies (with the right stuff).

Hope it all works out for you--we'll be waiting to hear more, and to answer any questions!

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/02/2008 : 22:34:34

I'm on Eastern Long Island, NY. I will have access to a spot on land in the spring but for now all semms to be in decent shape while it gets dried out. Sailboat is in my other boat's (36' Pacemaker Sportfish) slip for the winter and when there is room at the marina after the spring launch I will have some yard space and get the Cat out of the water.

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Chris Z
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Response Posted - 12/02/2008 : 22:37:11

Rich,

Welcome to the forum. You will find anything you could want to know here. My friend said that when he helped rehab a boat like this, they removed everything and pressure washed the inside. One interesting thing they did was to holesaw a hole in the bottom to drain the water as the cleaned inside. From what I understand they just epoxyed the plug back in and laied a few layers of glass inside and out.

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/02/2008 : 22:39:49

Everything was pressure washed inside and out. I used a 2" pump to get the wash water out and then a shop vac to get the smaller areas dry.

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/03/2008 : 00:34:06

The boat was owned by a friend of mine who never used it and once it sank, wanted nothing to do with it. The engine has been dunked in fresh water, all fluids changed and given a HEAVY dose of WD40. I will be replacing all the switches and fuses in the panel and am considering a full rewire. Rebuilding the winches is a good idea that I had overlooked (most sailing I've ever done before this is a Sunfish). Any spot to look for rebuilding the winches (Lewmar 6 or 7 I think)?

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/03/2008 : 07:08:23

It sounds like you know what you're doing and are making great progress so far. I've seen numerous boats that have been under and successfully re-floated and cleaned. Lewmar winches are robust, and not very complicated, and, unless they were in bad shape to begin with, it's unlikely that they were damaged. They probably just need to be taken apart, cleaned and greased, which can be done in an hour or less. There is a circlip on top of each winch, and removing that will give you access to the mechanism. The main concern is that you don't lose any parts over the side, so a good time to clean them will be when it's on the hard. It's a good practice to cut a winch-sized hole in the bottom of a shallow cardboard box, and tape it to the cockpit coaming. If you drop any parts, the box will probably catch them.

Welcome to the forum! Some of our members have maintained and repaired and upgraded their C25s for many years, and, whatever repair your boat needs, it's likely that someone has done something similar, and can offer helpful ideas.

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/03/2008 : 07:42:37

Good idea about the box as a catch. I'll be starting specific threads with some questions so we don't have one big thread with all sorts of question in it.
Thanks for the welcome's and the encouragement so far for this project. I'll also try to get some new pictures up from time to time (everyone likes pictures)

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 12/03/2008 : 12:35:42

Rich - good luck w/ the restore, sounds like you are well on your way. Where on Eastern LI are you? The background looks a lot like Little Peconic Bay.

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/03/2008 : 12:59:55

The mooring ground picture is Horseshoe Cove (East corner of Cutchogue Harbor).
This is James Creek:

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/06/2008 : 17:00:36

She looks pretty, all pressure washed and clean now. One suggestion for taking the winches apart. Since your boat is in the water, get an aluminum cake pan (alternative to the cardboard box mentioned above) and cut a hole in it the size of the base of the winch. Put that over the winch before you take it apart. It will help catch any loose pieces when you take it apart. Also, watch out for any springs that may want to go flying off into the water.

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Vida Alla
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Response Posted - 12/09/2008 : 17:58:41

Very nice. Great save. She no doubt is grateful, use her well.

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Merrick
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Response Posted - 12/09/2008 : 18:45:25

Thanks for saving this boat. Very sad to see her awash in the surf and neglected. Sailboats may not be living things (although they come alive in a fresh breeze), but they become more than the sum of their parts and I hate to see one left to die. (The thread about the guy who sawed the bow off a C25 really made me cringe)

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/09/2008 : 19:32:16

There is another boat washed up on the shore near where this one was. It still looks like a decent hull and mast, but has definately been sitting there for a while (I'd guess close to two years now). No idea who owns it or what kind of boat (about 22' is all I can guess), but could be a good salvage for someone.

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dave holtgrave
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Response Posted - 12/09/2008 : 21:00:28

rich p.

you did a great job.
be proud and enjoy.

thanks for sharing your experience.

dave holtgrave
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hard and dry near carlyle lake in southern illinois

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/10/2008 : 09:15:07

Still have a ways to go for this project, but it is off to a promising start.

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Deric
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Response Posted - 12/10/2008 : 20:41:54

Rich,

You have demonstrated dedication beyond most.

Best to you.
Deric

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/11/2008 : 10:43:27

If all goes well, I should have everything ready to go for the spring. It will take some time and money (biggest expense will be interior cusions so far), but I take Jan and Feb off so as long as it is not too cold, I can get some things done.

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mlg3733
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Response Posted - 12/11/2008 : 12:38:37

(The thread about the guy who sawed the bow off a C25 really made me cringe)
Second that statement

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 12/12/2008 : 10:15:44

Not to quibble, but he used an axe...I found the video a little brutal and shocking...a saw would have definitely been safer and somehow more gentle (if that makes any sense)...

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skrenz
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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 17:35:45

I'll only add one thing since it looks like everything else has been covered. Make sure you check out the vent line hose that runs from the starboard side chrome clam shell fitting on the stern to the bottom of the dumpster locker (port side locker on the cockpit). This 3" vent hose is very important to provide air circulation in this locker. Older Cat 25s store the fuel in this locker and this vent along with the port side clam shell provide air circulation to remove fumes. These 3" vent lines can disintegrate and could get plugged up with junk.

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Rich P
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Response Posted - 12/23/2008 : 17:04:46

The hose is fine but I am missing one of the clam shell covers.

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dblitz
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Response Posted - 12/23/2008 : 21:32:19

Rich,
She looks like she's ready to go already. If you would have had an inboard I would of given you my condolences, but with an outboard, that's a different story. Maybe you can salvage it but, at least, if you can't, you won't be out $ 10,000.-
The winches on my boat are Lewmar 16's and I have a Lewmar 8 on the cabin top.
All the parts inside are metal except for a nylon? washer. Very straightforward taking them apart, cleaning and lubricating. Lewmar recommended light-weight oil (I used wd40). Just be careful with the little springs on the pawls, they are not held in. You'll see what I mean when you take it apart. If you cut a hole in a box and put it on the winch so no pieces get lost, you'll be fine. Frankly, I was a little intimidated by the job, but after doing them I can tell you that it is really "minor". Welcome and I know you'll be ready to go by opening day in the spring.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/24/2008 : 07:47:35

Does anyone know if the vents are the same on C-22's and C-25's? If so, Rich P, I have 2 vent cowls in my spare parts that came from a C-22. If you want one, let me know. The garage is a bit of a mess right now, I'll have to hunt for them.

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