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Merrick
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Response Posted - 01/29/2009 : 12:56:42

Renzo that's a good way of putting it. (Although handrails and airbags don't make it more difficult to climb stairs or drive the car). I have considered the tether - harness advantage is that it keeps them from having to search for the body.....

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/29/2009 : 16:46:44

Quote:" Sten I don't know about the certain death scenario you describe if anyone should dare set out on a sailboat with out lifelines. I've never sailed a big boat but this is my third small one and I have never once been saved by a lifeline. Now all my experience has been easy recreational stuff, I've never raced or cruised anywhere, so what do I know. I do appreciate the input."

Neither life not death is certain, but we all increase or decrease our odds depending on our individual circumstances and the choices we make. The old adage, "one hand for the ship" applies here. Your C25 is not a small boat - you just graduated - and your lifelines at least allow you to crawl safely as is what is recommended in rough conditions. A little daysailor she is for some, but I know that A. she can handle some pretty rough stuff, and B. when all hell breaks loose, she is a big boat! The loads even on a SR are pretty strong, and unless you have a means of safely dropping the main from the cockpit, you are going forward to the mast. Same with putting in a reef.

But I've never liked windy mountain roads without guardrails either! Sure, if you hit them dead on, you are going over, but if you glance off, you may have a chance.

My personal technique for going forward is to stoop low and glide my hand over the lifelines as I move forward. Sure, if it's wicked calm, walk normal... But the C25 decks are skinny and you could trip on a line or something. When you have your hand on the lifelines, you can instantly hold onto something, and if you are low enough, throw yourself to the decks thereby insuring you will stay aboard. I do this almost daily, even while on the hook.

Anyone who has done a real MOB will tell you that time stands still and that recovery is much more difficult than prevention. Your Rhodes 19 will round up much faster if unattended. Your C25 with a tiller tamer or whatever could be a long swim away before she rounds up.

PPPPPP - Proper Planning Prevents PissPoor Performance

sten

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Edited by - redviking on 01/29/2009 16:54:23

Renzo
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Response Posted - 01/29/2009 : 17:31:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by glen
 Renzo as I recall you stay pretty much in the cockpit during the race. I believe the crew may entertain a different standard. I vote for keeping the life lines PS putting air bags on your boat might not be a bad idea
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Remember some crew is expendable!(especially the ones who have, by their own admission, already had the experience of being keel hauled.)

But, given the demonstrated, propensity of some skippers, who think they can ignore the port tack rule on the basis of gender, I may consider your air bag suggestion.

Edited by - Renzo on 01/29/2009 17:36:16

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Response Posted - 01/29/2009 : 17:35:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Merrick
 Renzo that's a good way of putting it. (Although handrails and airbags don't make it more difficult to climb stairs or drive the car). I have considered the tether - harness advantage is that it keeps them from having to search for the body.....
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A fact that your wife may appreciate, because that way there won't be any delay in the life insurance pay off

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/29/2009 : 20:53:43

Quote: "A fact that <s>your</s> <s>wife</s> STEN may appreciate, because that way there won't be any delay in the life insurance pay off!"

Renzo, hook me up - my cruising dollars are running short. I'm practicing to be a Walmart greeter...

Got MILF?

sten

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Response Posted - 01/30/2009 : 06:36:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
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Renzo, hook me up - my cruising dollars are running short. I'm practicing to be a Walmart greeter...

Got MILF?

sten
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If I remember correctly, from pictures that you've posted in the past, you've already got MILF.

In the mean time practice this phrase " Good morning (afternoon) sir or madam,(as the case may be) welcome to our store." And don't forget to smile

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/30/2009 : 09:48:44

Quote: "If I remember correctly, from pictures that you've posted in the past, you've already got MILF."

Just because you already ordered the entrée, doesn't mean that you can't check out the buffet!

Besides, other than min. wage, what other employee benefit is there?

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Response Posted - 01/30/2009 : 16:30:30

Okay now, so if one has a sailboat without life lines, then they have lifeless line sailboat? line lineless boat?

Maybe the name should change?

Optional life and death lines.
Get-in-the-way lines.
Chancy lines.
Oops lines.
Maybe-save-my-butt lines.
Do-Really-Need-Them lines.
Falling-Between-The-lines.
($^&*$%^$ lines.

I suppose others have ideas.

In the spirit of fun.
Deric

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 01/31/2009 : 21:48:38

My son says I am the clubsiest person afloat -- and he may be correct on that count. While I rarely grab a life line I always am more comfortable knowing that if I take a header that my last option is there. Removing the stantions causes work to make sure the deck is secure and dry. Keeping the stantions and life lines ads that extra ounce of security that, God forbid, you need -- you will have.

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Response Posted - 02/01/2009 : 09:38:25

My first boat came to me with neither lifelines in the cockpit nor a stern pulpit, just a wide open cockpit. My current boat, a C25, has both. Do I feel safer? I guess so, but then again, I never felt my first boat was inherently unsafe.

Although my first boat was also a 25 footer, that boat was significantly less capable than my current one, yet I still think of my C25 as a large, small boat.

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Merrick
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Response Posted - 02/01/2009 : 20:48:12

ok I'm keeping my lifelines due to the advice of the more experienced on this forum and also because it would be more work to get them off. (I have enough things to fix this spring already) Also we went on the boat today and there are places to step if you are careful and look where you are going. I need to try that. If this picture comes out, it was a pretty nice sailing day in SC. About 55 and breezy. Pays to live in the south sometimes.

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Merrick
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Response Posted - 02/01/2009 : 20:49:32

Well I tried Shutterfly and Snapfish and no luck on the picture--

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Merrick
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Response Posted - 02/01/2009 : 20:55:08

here's a small version of it - how do you make a picture larger?

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Response Posted - 02/01/2009 : 21:22:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Merrick
 ...how do you make a picture larger?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">In Shutterfly, click the thumbnail-sized picture to get a larger one, and then right-click the larger one and select Properties to get its URL, or left-click it to get an even slightly larger one and do the same.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 02/02/2009 09:22:28

Merrick
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Response Posted - 02/02/2009 : 10:00:02

I thought that's what I did but evidently not-anyway here is my pic of winter sailing in SC-
thanks Dave

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/02/2009 : 11:29:52

Nice pic! Nice lifelines

Looks like they are tensioned properly.

sten

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Merrick
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Response Posted - 02/02/2009 : 17:03:43

Yeah you never know when you might need those things.....

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Deric
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Response Posted - 02/02/2009 : 17:20:34

Steve,
Nice to see someone enjoying winter sailing, with lifelines or not.

My boat and lifelines are surrounded by snow.. brrr/

Best,
Deric

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Response Posted - 02/02/2009 : 21:31:40

Ya, a reef in the main, five degrees of weather helm, and the bimini down (to soak up that sun)... Gotta love it! Not much of that going on here--you'd want a piece of steel on the bow to break the ice on the river.

So who's standing up forward of the shrouds to take that?

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 02/02/2009 21:34:01

BFTEagles
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Response Posted - 02/02/2009 : 21:42:02

Nice picture!

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Merrick
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Response Posted - 02/03/2009 : 08:54:56

There was some old fart leaning on the forestay trying to take pictures. That's my son at the helm and his wife enjoying (I think) the ride. My 'admiral' is down below bracing for the imminent capsize.

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Response Posted - 02/03/2009 : 10:37:20

Hi Merrick, there is quite a discussion about how to reef lurking in that photo. If you want the input post the photo in a new thread and ask for comments. (Your wife would be happier.)

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Response Posted - 02/03/2009 : 11:30:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 ...how to reef...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I wasn't going to say anything...

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/03/2009 : 12:10:31

I've seen worse

! If Frank had met the slab reefing guy, I digress!

Sten

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SV Lysistrata - C&C 39 - going "home" in a couple of weeks! Hope I remember how to sail!

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Response Posted - 02/03/2009 : 13:26:58

Nice pic. You're lucky to have such nice weather!

It seems you have not pulled the reefing cringle down hard with the reefing outhaul at the clew of the main. You seem to be relying on the small reefing lines and the reefing diamonds to hold the sail along the boom. Those lines are not designed to hold any force, but rather just to gather up the excess cloth. Such a setup can rip the sail.

Instead, pull the tack and the clew fast to the boom, then loosely tie the other lines. It's a minor difference in technique, but one you will be glad to make use of to save your sail from unnecessary damage.

Happy winter sailing!

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