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Dazed Sailor
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Initially Posted - 02/16/2009 : 20:57:23

Hi
I am currently looking for a cabin boat as described in the subject line.
I have found one that basically has been gutted by the former owner and is now owned by the marina it is stored at.
This boat can be purchased for a very low price but has no sails, rudder, motor, cushions, porta pottie,and most of the panels that fill the holes under the cushions are missing.
I am not unfamilar with restoration. I am just wondering if that type of and amount of missing pieces would be worth buying this boat for $2000 or less it also has no trailer.
Dennis

Dennis
1982 C25 2954
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JohnP
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Response Posted - 02/16/2009 : 21:09:45

No way!

You can get a new, old boat for $4k or $6k or $8k with absolutely everything included. You're looking at just that much in 2 or 3 or 4 sails and an outboard engine, plus hundreds of hours of labor, not even counting the $2k hulk.

Look on Craigslist for Catalina 25, for example, or other boats. Or scan the listings on SailingTexas.com, where there are always lots of good old boats. You may have to drive or sail the boat home, but you will start with a whole boat, which still will need maintenance and repairs.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 02/16/2009 : 21:18:55

Also boattrader.com, yachtworld.com, boatus.com, and our Swap Meet forum... You probably won't see anything that cheap, but that one will cost you triple the price to get her up to a decent setup. It's a dubious buy if they were giving it away.

Two new sails: $1700 (?)
New outboard: $1900
Cabin cushions: $1500+
Rudder: $700
...and so on.

Value of a 1979 swing keel C-25 in pretty good condition (not with all new stuff) in this market: $3500 - $4500 (?)

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/16/2009 : 21:24:03

RUN, don't walk away from that derelict.

Take a look at these [url="http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?Ntk=boatsEN&searchtype=homepage&type=%28Sail%29&sm=3&cit=true&toLength=25&luom=126&currencyid=100&fromLength=25&fromPrice=0&Ne=1783&man=Catalina&slim=quick&N=1783&pricderange=Select+Price+Range"]C25's currently listed on Yachtworld[/url]. The second one on the list isn't too far from you.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/16/2009 : 21:33:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 ...Take a look at these [url="http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?Ntk=boatsEN&searchtype=homepage&type=%28Sail%29&sm=3&cit=true&toLength=25&luom=126&currencyid=100&fromLength=25&fromPrice=0&Ne=1783&man=Catalina&slim=quick&N=1783&pricderange=Select+Price+Range"]C25's currently listed on Yachtworld[/url]. The second one on the list isn't too far from you.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...we don't know the keel, and it's overpriced for an '80. Also, I'd pass on the painted hull--that's the headache that keeps on aching.

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Dazed Sailor
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Response Posted - 02/17/2009 : 04:20:32

Thank you for your help gentlemen. I had a feeling that it was a to good to be true buy.
I live in the St. Louis Mo. area and would be interested in any 22-25 catalinas that you may hear about.
Dennis

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Tom Gauntt
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Response Posted - 02/17/2009 : 07:50:59

Dennis,

Keep looking. You can do a lot better. Even if the marina were to "give" you that boat, it would take a LOT of effort and money to get her sailing. Like many of us, I have a rather limited boat budget. I knew I needed to find a bit of a "project" boat to trade my labor for dollars to spend elsewhere. I think the smartest thing I did was decide early on to find a Catalina... not because they're the best or fastest, but because they are very good and fast enough and there are thousands of them. But probably the single greatest reason I chose Catalina was because of websites like this one where almost anything you can think to ask has already been tried by someone else. Also, Catalina Direct stocks all those hard to find parts that will break or wear out over time. That makes your life immeasurably easier!

I then decided what projects were show-stoppers, which ones I could tolerate, and which ones I would enjoy. For me, repairing osmotic blisters in the hull was a no-go item. Same for keel bolts or the "Catalina Smile". Small areas of core damage were acceptable (1 sqft) but big areas were not. All the standing rigging needed to be there, but poor running rigging was okay. I enjoy woodworking and electrical/plumbing, so anything in that vein was a plus.

I then searched ebay, local papers and sailing magazines (there's a great one here in Annapolis... Spinsheet) and finally found a boat on craigslist. I wound up getting an '82 swinger with a pop top and 7.5 Merc for less than a $1000. Big ticket items that it needed were a boom (found on craigslist for $50), sails, new VHF/Depth/GPS and safety gear. This boat, although rarely tended to for several years, is in great condition (for an '82). I get to spend my time on enjoyable projects over the winter, and bank that cash for other goodies, like a roller furler!

Be patient, know what you want, and keep searching. Something will eventually find you at your price point. Also, the value of this website and its participants is immense. If you like Catalinas at all, that would be reason enough to get a Cat!

Best of luck in your search,

Tom

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Deric
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Response Posted - 02/17/2009 : 08:10:43

I bought a 78 swing keel boat last year for 3500 bucks. It included the following:

Remainder of the slip fee
Main
Jib
Genoa
Spinnaker
Storm
10hp (old) outboard motor
radio
cushions (cabin and cockpit)
life jackets
life lines
2 Line Poles
sheets
vang
radio
fire Ext
fuel cans
rudder
tiller
ladder
Canvas Top for pop-up
stepping mast pole
wench tool
tool box
porta pottie
tiller extender
Boysen chair
battery
trailer

I do not claim to achieved the deal of the century, but rather, to provide folks an idea of the types of deals one may be able to transact. Better to pay more for a boat that has most if not all its parts. I suspect one would pay much more if a boat needed to be pieced together.

Take the advice by those indicated in this thread. Wait for the right moment, and continue to ask when in doubt.

Best,
Deric

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/17/2009 : 09:14:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Deric
 I bought a 78 swing keel boat last year for 3500 bucks. It included the following:
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wench tool<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You didn't already have one?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/17/2009 : 09:26:58

Dennis... The Catalina 22 and 25 are very different boats. The 22 is a little like an oversized day-sailer (although more stable than most of those). The 25 has much more of a big-boat feel, with a much more accommodating cabin for overnight/weekend cruising. It truly feels twice as big and heavy! (...much like a C-30 does compared to a C-25.) The 22 is eminently trailerable--easy to set up, launch, and retrieve for a day on the water. The 25 is not--trust me on that. Take the opportunity to decide which of those is right for you at this stage, and then focus on that. Until you have the answer to that question, you could end up going down the wrong path for your real needs. And you can always move up some day--most of us have (or will)!

Have fun in your quest! BTW, I love that Y-Flyer!!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 02/17/2009 09:30:42

Dazed Sailor
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Response Posted - 02/17/2009 : 20:27:10

HI All,
I want to thank you for your imput on my thread. I have been boating for over 40 years power boats mostly up to 34 feet. Three years ago I got into sailing dinghys and I own a Y Flyer that I restored. I am wanting to get into a 25 foot Catalina because it is a comfortable boat to me and the C 30 is too big for the lakes I sail on. Creve Coure Lake in St. Louis and Carlyle Lake in Ill.
There are numerous 25's on Carlyle and I enjoy the bigger boats much more.
I have a friend that has a C 22 that we sail on Carlyle. and it is enjoyable but is a little small for overnight stays with four people.
I am going to continue to look for a C 25 in my price range and hopefully get the deal of the year on one.
To all who wrote thank you again;

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Deric
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Response Posted - 02/17/2009 : 20:44:02

hahahah Dave,

Yes, thank you for reading my post.
I Was Wondering Which Way the Wicked Wench With the Working Winch Wound up going. Wouldn't you Want to know?

Dennis, keep your eyes open, C25 is a great value. Not too big, and not too small.

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HeelinPatrick
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Response Posted - 02/18/2009 : 08:46:32

Found this one yesterday (no affiliation):

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/boa/1036749661.html

No pictures, but might be worth checking into, if for no other reason to get an idea what's out there.

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Tom Gauntt
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Response Posted - 02/18/2009 : 10:34:54

Dennis,

See what I mean? The boat Patrick found looks like a good deal... An '82 swinger with all the goodies AND a trailer for 3500 is really not bad. Plus it's not to far away. Replacing the keel pivot pin is straightforward, but is kind of a hassle because the keel is so heavy. Search the forum for "keel pivot pin" and see if it's something you want to tackle. Even if you had to pay the marina to get this job done, you could still wind up with a pretty good deal!

Tom

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Dazed Sailor
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Response Posted - 02/18/2009 : 16:54:41

We are in process of changing a keel pin on a C 22 we hve made up a nice rig to drop it down with out dropping it on us.
I have sent the gentleman an email to see if he has pictures and if it is still for sale.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/18/2009 : 17:16:57

Dennis--sounds like you understand what you'd be getting into... Just remember the C-25 keel is almost three times as heavy.

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Dazed Sailor
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Response Posted - 02/18/2009 : 17:32:38

Yes I know that it weighs 1500 lbs. we have rigged a transmission jack for heavy equipment to hold and lif the C 22 Keel and I believe we could do the same thing with a C 25.
Can you tell me how to load a picture into your profile or thread so I can show you my Y Flyer?

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Chris Z
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Response Posted - 02/18/2009 : 19:53:01

Dennis,

Y Flyer? I am guessing we have met before at the Lake Lemon Regatta. I have sailed their many times on my Force 5, including this last year. I always enjoyed the Y Flyer people.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/18/2009 : 21:05:43

Dennis: Instructions for posting pictures are in the Testing Forum (toward the bottom of the All Forums list). To do it in the signature, you have to put the {img} and {/img} tags in yourself (with square brackets). I used thumbnail pix from Shutterfly for the three in my signature.

I did a little sailing on a Y Flyer on White Lake in Michigan about 50 years ago. A mini E-scow!

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Dazed Sailor
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Response Posted - 02/20/2009 : 17:17:18

I have recieved pictures from the gentleman with the C 25 for sail in indiana. The boat and trailer look nice it s going to need bottom paint but interior and trailer look good in the pictures.
can someone send me their email so I can send them on to you guys so you can look and tell me if you see something not right in the pictures.
Also I need to know if a vehicle that is rated to pull 5,000 lbs can pull the boat. I have an 05 Trail Blazer.

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Response Posted - 02/20/2009 : 17:53:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dazed Sailor
 ... Also I need to know if a vehicle that is rated to pull 5,000 lbs can pull the boat. I have an 05 Trail Blazer.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Uh-oh, time for that discussion again

Short answer, No. Long answer, well, that'll come. In the meantime, search for "Tow Vehicle" using the search feature at the top of this page. You'll have enough to read for a looooooooooooong time.

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hinmo
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Response Posted - 02/20/2009 : 18:41:59

1983 fin keel, 8.8 Merc, gps, sail covers, furler, solar charger, new drifter sail, everything functional (altho not perfect...but it is a BOAT!), $2800....and I think if I didnt buy it in Oct 08, and waited for the full market crash, I could have got it for less and storage to boot.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/20/2009 : 23:45:09

First choice would be to borrow or rent an adequate vehicle. If that isn't an option, good weather and roads and just one time to get it home is probably doable if you drive slowly and cautiously. You will be 30 - 50% over capacity - I mean slow.

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Dazed Sailor
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Response Posted - 02/21/2009 : 07:04:34

I am guessing based on the 4500 pound spec listing hat the boat and trailer will go somewhere around 5500 to 6000 lbs with few or no extras in the boat.
What kind besides main and jib of sails would be a normal or average set of sails for the C 25? and what does it mean when they list it as a tall rig?
Has anyone got any experiance with a Mariner outboard?

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Response Posted - 02/21/2009 : 08:08:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dazed Sailor
 What kind besides main and jib of sails would be a normal or average set of sails for the C 25? and what does it mean when they list it as a tall rig?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

At my marina, the average sailboat has just two sails, a mains'l and a headsail on the furler. Hank on boats may have three sails consisting of a main, working jib, and a genoa.

A tall rig C25 is one with a taller mast which translate to more sail area. The mast on a tall rig C25 is two feet taller than a standard rig C25 and the luff of the main is three feet longer. The headsail is also larger on a tall rig boat.

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Response Posted - 02/21/2009 : 12:59:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 The mast on a tall rig C25 is two feet taller than a standard rig C25 and the luff of the main is three feet longer.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...thus the boom is a foot lower, leaving less room for a bimini over the cockpit, and making the boom a bit of a threat to anyone standing there. A tall rig with a reefed main is fairly close to a standard rig in mainsail area. Racers like the tall rig... many big-water cruiser/day-sailors (like me) prefer the standard.

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