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Prospector
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Initially Posted - 03/04/2009 : 09:10:30

Now that I made my winch berets and ther eis good weather in the forecast for th eweekend, I have turned my thoughts to mounting the COB pole.

Since we travel with 2 children on board, and plan to be out in some fairly big water this summer (Georgian Bay vs our little lake), I want a proper system that I can deploy in a heartbeat.

In "The Finely Fitted Yacht" Ferenc Mate advises that the pole be attached to the horseshoe (lifering) buoy, a whistle, a strobe, a drogue, a dyepack and be mounted in such a manner that one line should be released to have the whole works go overboard. I really like this idea. I know its overkill for lake sailing, but its not a bad idea to really litter the sea when you have an active toddler aboard. The dye pack should also show drift which will be a big help as well.

My challenge is the deployment. I was thinking that I could make a fitting out of PVC (plumbing fittings) that would basically be a Tee fitting with a 6" piece of pipe sticking out of it. The 6" pipe would act as a holster for the pole, and if I cut a slit in th eTee it should fit over the stern rail to act as a pivot. A couple hose clamps would hold it around the rail so it wouldn't come off.

Deploymnet would be that when the horseshoe was thrown, a slip knot holding the COB pole to the backstay would undo, and the drogue would pull the works back over the stern. The big concern is that gravity says the COB pole should fall forward into the cockpit rather than aft over the stern.

How have other folks tackled this?

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Response Posted - 03/04/2009 : 10:20:16

How big is Lake Simcoe?

The lake is about 30 km (19 mi) long and 25 km (16 mi) wide.

That is big enough!

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Response Posted - 03/04/2009 : 12:20:31

I'd say keep the tools simple.

One standard mount for a MOB pole is the base in a ring on the backstay and with the top inside a tube with the flag furled. Lifting it an inch releases the bottom.

The MOB pole is meant to be dropped off the stern. You can flip the lifering quite a ways off the wind, but not into it, to get it close to the MOB as you sail away in the moments immediately after.

For little kids I would want lifejackets, harnesses, and tethers with jacklines in the cockpit. Maybe additional lifeline netting for the litte ones to fall against if they lose their balance.

The Lifesling with lifting tackle is an important tool to recover a MOB who can't easily swim back and climb up the ladder. Do you have one?

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Response Posted - 03/04/2009 : 12:30:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JohnP
 I'd say keep the tools simple. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I agree - but you are talking to someone who works in engineering. My simple and your simple may differ

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">One standard mount for a MOB pole is the base in a ring on the backstay and with the top inside a tube with the flag furled. Lifting it an inch releases the bottom.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I haven't actually seen this installation in person, and since no other boats in our marina have a pole, I have nothing to go on. It sounds like a reasonable installation though.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The MOB pole is meant to be dropped off the stern. You can flip the lifering quite a ways off the wind, but not into it, to get it close to the MOB as you sail away in the moments immediately after.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Good point. I hadn't considered throwing into the wind.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">For little kids I would want lifejackets, harnesses, and tethers with jacklines in the cockpit. Maybe additional lifeline netting for the litte ones to fall against if they lose their balance.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

We have all this, with the exception of netting. I have heard mixed reports on netting, and am not totally convinced yet. Besides, I would lose flexibility in the location of sheetleads, and I want to be able to position them quickly and easily. We all wear Lifejackets at all times unless the boat is anchored/moored. The older kid wears a tether whenever she goes forward. The toddler will be tethered to the companionway and not allowed to go forward.

We are the only boat in the marina with jacklines, and are mercilessly teased about them by the other racers. I use the kids as my excuse but there have been a few hairy rides when I have clipped in as well.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The Lifesling with lifting tackle is an important tool to recover a MOB who can't easily swim back and climb up the ladder. Do you have one?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

No Lifesling yet, but it is on the list.

Edited by - Prospector on 03/04/2009 12:31:42

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Response Posted - 03/04/2009 : 12:46:18

Here are Landfall Navigation's nice looking things:
[url="http://www.landfallnavigation.com/sop8.html"]MOB pole bracket[/url]
[url="http://www.landfallnavigation.com/sopft.html"]flag tube[/url]
I would make these myself if I got (or made) a MOB pole.

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Response Posted - 03/04/2009 : 13:35:50

Don Casey's got pretty good plans for making your own MOB pole in his [url="http://www.amazon.com/100-Fast-Easy-Boat-Improvements/dp/0070134022"]100 Fast & Easy Boat Improvements[/url] book. Making one's on my list somewhere after making a new tiller.

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Response Posted - 03/04/2009 : 15:15:51

NO BUY IT HERE INSTEAD!:
HardCover: $20.78
[url="http://www.sailboatbooks.com/pub/Home-16659-0070134022-100_Fast_Easy_Boat_Improvements.html"]

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Paperback: $8.06
[url="http://www.sailboatbooks.com/pub/Home-16659-0071440550-100_FAST_EASY_BOAT_IMPROVEMENTS.html"]

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I hear the owner is a really nice guy and sails a C250! :-)

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Response Posted - 03/04/2009 : 15:40:48

Sorry to let you guys down, but...

1. I already have the pole, and
2. Ferenc has instructions to build each piece of the kit in his book. (Which is a great read!)

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Response Posted - 03/04/2009 : 16:02:36

Sorry Steve, I just Googled it, cut & pasted, didn't even think about your new store.

Mea culpa

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