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hinmo
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Initially Posted - 03/15/2009 :  09:14:20  Show Profile
I took the pintles off my rudder a couple months ago (reseal the rudder), now forget which one goes where. I presume the short one with the hole in it is the top one? The longer one on the bottom?

Also, is there a clevis pin for the hole? Or can I use a cotter pin......there was nothing there when I bought it.

Pls advise - thx
"Kukla" '83 FK,SR
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/15/2009 :  09:29:42  Show Profile
On my rudder, the pintle with the hole is like you mentioned, on the top. It is secured with a small clevis pin. I also put nylon washers on the pintle pins before setting it in the gudgeons. I also put a stainless washer above the clevis pin.
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Response Posted - 03/15/2009 :  09:55:57  Show Profile
I use a cotter pin to secure my top pintle.
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Response Posted - 03/16/2009 :  10:04:51  Show Profile
I would put the pinlte with the hole for the cotter pin in the top location of the rudder and hold the rudder in place with a cotter pin only slightly splayed, and with a 1 1/2" diameter ring through the cotter pin loop. If you get into trouble, like rocks or shallows, you can reach over the transom, pull the cotter pin, and pull the rudder out of the gudgeons before you tear the gudgeons out of the transom and bend the pintles.

I speak from experience, my boat now has three gudgeons/pintles, new fiberglass patch where the lower gudeon was torn out, fiberglass reinforcement inside the transom and re-glassed rudder tip and keel. All this after my friend (really, it wasn't me!)ran it into to rocks in the marina mouth and couldn't pull the rudder before the wave action did it's damage.

Paul
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/16/2009 :  12:32:50  Show Profile
Paul,

Good tip!
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islander
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Response Posted - 03/16/2009 :  17:01:39  Show Profile
The PO of my boat never put anything in the hole, He showed me that the rudder can't come out due to the stepped part of the rudder that goes under the hull. The rudder has to be hard over ( 90 deg. ) for it to come out and you never sail with it that hard over. He also thought that to be safer if you hit a rock or bottom he could pull it up faster. Personally I think if you hit something the damage is already done before you can react. Does the rudder float, or sink like a rock? Anybody know? By the way, I did put a pin in it when I bought the boat.
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Response Posted - 03/16/2009 :  20:28:57  Show Profile
My fiberglass balance rudder floated like a cork, and would float off the gudgeons if it could. With no pin, if it didn't come off, it would be rubbing on the skeg. I used a stack of washers above the cotter pin to minimize the lift.
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jerlim
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Response Posted - 03/16/2009 :  21:23:06  Show Profile
They do float, and we use washers top and bottom with a ring istead of a cotter pin.
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hinmo
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Response Posted - 03/17/2009 :  03:16:02  Show Profile
Ok - next subject....why the washers? who does use them and who doesn't?

thx
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DaveR
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Response Posted - 03/17/2009 :  07:47:55  Show Profile  Visit DaveR's Homepage
The washers reduce the vertical play in the rudder. I want (but don't have yet) nylon spacers.
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