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Rich G
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Initially Posted - 05/16/2009 : 14:12:06

I know propane and butane are heavier than air, but aren't today's portable canister stoves safer than ever? Something like a Coleman 2 burner camp stove or Kenyon single burner butane stove is what I'm thinking. I had to toss the original Princess pressurized curtain burner. I mean, really: Anything's gotta be safer than that 16 lb. bomb.

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bear
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Response Posted - 05/16/2009 : 17:50:31

After I tossed my Princess Butane Beauty we used a single burner Coleman stove with the propane cannisters. Still have the stove but very rarely do we use it....

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 07:27:11

I have a Coleman dual fuel single burner that I use to make coffee, heat soup, boil hotdogs, make eggs. Just like camping out.

http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=3000000461&categoryid=2020&brand=

I also have a Coleman dual burner version, but it's too large for the C25.

I see they have a new "feather weight" stove now too, but IMHO, it's a little too small - I think a heavy pot filled with water would be too top-heavy to remain on the burner at anchor.

The good news about these stoves is they will burn "white gas" aka coleman fuel, or will burn regular gas.

One caution about regular gas however - if you use it then plan put the stove away for awhile, empty most of the gas and run it till dry. This prevents the gunk from forming in the tiny orifices, clogging the stove.

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 10:39:24

Rich... If you want the safest device, that would probably be the Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove. The fuel is safe to store anywhere, the stove can remain fueled in the cabin, and there's nothing that can explode or even flare up like the old Princess. The same things can't be said of butane or propane--they should always be stored outside of the cabin in a place that does not vent to the bilge or to any enclosed low spot. I had an Origo on Passage and now have a Kenyon butane on Sarge--the Kenyon is much nicer IMHO--just like a propane or natural gas stove, and stows away to free up galley space. But the cannisters are removed from the stove and stay in a cockpit locker when not in use--as directed by Kenyon.

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 11:53:02

I removed the "curtain burner", kept the butcher block top and use to the space below to store a Max Burton Butane stove

and cookware.
I made a false front that looks like a drawer but is just attached with velcro.
The stove works well, stows easily and meets all my coffee and dinner needs.
BTW - This stove is very hot and makes stove top espresso

Much better than my stove at home.

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 12:09:54

I think I'm sold on the butane single burners. Do you have a photo of your modified stove storage? Do the butane canisters fit in the starboard side rope locker? We currently don't use that space for anything since the hinges are busted and I haven't figured out how to shrink my hands so they're small enough to get behind the lining from underneath in order to fix it.

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 16:31:22

I keep a single butane, a Coleman 2 burner propane and a rail grill, you can never have to many burners!

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 17:40:45

For those using butane or propane, do you ever have any qualms about cooking inside the cabin with them?

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 19:44:22

I liked the butane stove so much I just ordered one. It looks like a perfect fit in the galley.

Where can you purchase the butane canisters? Are they a hardware store item, a West Marine item, or a dept store (K-Mart, W*Mart) kind of item?

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 19:50:34

Here in the PNW, the butane cartridges are common at Asian food stores and that's the cheapest place to buy them that I've seen.

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 20:17:44

Around me, Kenyon cannisters are in True Value, West Marine, Defender, and several marinas' shops. I'd bet they fit precisely in the Burton, which must be a re-branded unit--it looks identical to the Kenyon.

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Response Posted - 05/17/2009 : 20:24:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Rich G
 For those using butane or propane, do you ever have any qualms about cooking inside the cabin with them?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Not cooking--just storing. When finished cooking, you pop the butane cannister our of the stove and put it in the C-25's cockpit rope locker. It's the size and shape of a typical aerosol spray paint can.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 05/17/2009 20:25:10

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Response Posted - 05/18/2009 : 12:34:44

I just bought one of the Max Burton units, like the one pictured above, for $22 plus $10 s/h on Ebay. Looking forward to putting it to use.

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Response Posted - 05/18/2009 : 12:57:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Rich G
 For those using butane or propane, do you ever have any qualms about cooking inside the cabin with them?
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One of the features I like about our boat is that there is a vented propane tank locker in the cockpit and a solenoid that shuts off the propane if the flame goes out. For the Magma on the rail we use those small propane tanks but store them in the cockpit. Never store fuel in the cabin.

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Response Posted - 05/27/2009 : 19:48:57

David (SL)
Your clue <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Here in the PNW, the butane cartridges are common at Asian food stores and that's the cheapest place to buy them that I've seen.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> did the trick.

We happen to have an Asian Supermarket nearby and I found a four pack for $6.99. And they had plenty. I think I ought to have enough butane for the entire season.

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Response Posted - 05/28/2009 : 18:39:34

I found the butane canisters under the Sterno brand name at a restaurant supply company, Sysco, that also sells to the public here in Nashville. $3.39 plus tax per can. Struck out at Ace Hardware and Target. Seems to work just fine in the Max Burton unit I bought on Ebay. And you are right, it does generate a lot of heat. Nice!

Edited by - dmpilc on 05/28/2009 18:40:55

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Response Posted - 08/16/2009 : 20:58:48

Just a side comment on the butane stoves -- there are many Japanese dishes which are cooked at the dinner table (e.g., nabe, sukiyaki, shabu shabu) and the same is true for Korean dishes like Bul Goki, though I'm less familiar with Korean food and I'm sure there are many more.

I already have one of these in my cupboard and they do cook fast. If I was going to buy one new, I would definitely check the Asian markets first as the $60 price seems high and $3-4 per can of butane is exorbitant -- fuel should be in the $2/can range or less.

I've seen a number of brands, but they're all mostly made in Korea (I think) and mechanically, they all seem to work the same no matter whose logo is stickered to the outside. The butane canister is placed in its slot, you press the lever that inserts a nozzle into the can so the fuel can get to the stove, turn the dial till some gas comes out, and press the mechanical spark generator to start it. When you're done, you release the lever and the can seals itself closed.

If the flame goes out while on, gas will continue to escape unburned and it isn't scented like propane or NG, that is really the only thing to be careful with.

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Response Posted - 08/17/2009 : 04:52:04

I have a Jetboil. lol It all packs away into the cup for portability.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 08/17/2009 04:53:33

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Response Posted - 08/17/2009 : 04:59:33

The Kenyon/Burton/whatever label single-burner butane stoves drop neatly into the tray left behind when you remove the OEM alcohol stove. I rarely use my stove, but the convenience and ease of use over an alcohol stove is almost infinite.

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glen
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Response Posted - 08/17/2009 : 10:13:42

At dock with shore power plugged in, we use either an electric frying pan, or a two burner electric buffet table top. (The boat also has a micro wave, Fridge, pots & pans ………) (Probably need to start a string on who has the most C#*%##P on board there boat) The two burner Buffet stove stores perfectly in the space where the Princess once lived. At anchor we have either the one burner butane stove or the propane Magnum BBQ on the rail. As for the fuel we store it in the cockpit area. Our 25 is a 1979 and has a very poor set up for the gas locker, so we fabricated a Sunbrella bag with vented grommets on the bottom. This bag hangs on the rail, and (tightly) holds 2 propane and 2 butane canisters. It also stores the valve body for the Magnum and a tiny BBQ brush.

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Response Posted - 08/17/2009 : 11:19:48

You can also get the butane cartridges at WalMart.

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Response Posted - 08/17/2009 : 21:11:31

I really love these arguments about propane on a boat. Pick any production model larger boat sold today and you know what you will find in the kitchen? A propane fired stove/oven. I know that the answer to fool proof is a bigger fool but IMHO that's what the Darwin awards are for. I've cooked on colman fuel, alcohol, butane, electric, and propane both in my camping days and sailing. There is no better fuel for heat per volume of fuel than propane (unless you are sailing with a very long extension cord). I know, I know, all those of you out there that talk about the dangers of Propane being heavier than air and you are absolutely correct. You can also leave the sea cock open on the potty and flood yourself. You can do all sorts of things that can hurt you in this sport but you can also live with a little sense. My rant isn't going to change anybody's mind about the subject, but I will take a well designed propane system over anything else on the market any day of the week.

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Response Posted - 08/18/2009 : 05:21:28

Glen,
Do you have a picture of your setup?
I'm trying to picture the bag hanging from the rail and not swinging around.
I have a '78 and have the same cockpit locker setup as you.
Do you leave the grill on the rail all the time or do you remove when done cooking?

Thanks

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Response Posted - 08/18/2009 : 06:28:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by skrenz
 ...but I will take a well designed propane system over anything else on the market any day of the week.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...and most of us wouldn't disagree. But the "well designed" system manufacturers are installing (per USCG requirements) includes a thermocouple on the burner in the cabin, that actuates a shut-off on the tank in the cockpit. Many designs proposed here--for example to convert a "curtain-burner" to propane--haven't included those components. Some of us curmudgeons are compelled to point that out.

Meanwhile, for anyone who just wants to heat or cook a few things on an occasional overnight, the little butane stoves are amazingly nice!

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Response Posted - 08/18/2009 : 08:50:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fpill
 Glen,
Do you have a picture of your setup?
I'm trying to picture the bag hanging from the rail and not swinging around.
I have a '78 and have the same cockpit locker setup as you.
Do you leave the grill on the rail all the time or do you remove when done cooking?

Thanks
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Frank the grill is mounted to the rail in such a way that it can swing inboard when I’m using it, and swing back inline with the rail when not in use. I can remove it if I want, but the only time I do is when she goes on the trailer. The fuel bag can swing (as in gimbal) as the boat heels, but so does my drink holder

. It is located aft on the rail by the outboard. I will try to get some pictures of the grill and fuel bag this weekend

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Response Posted - 08/19/2009 : 09:40:48

Some of the stoves you all are using are very dangerous in my opinion. One good wake from a passing stinkpotter and you may find your food and your stove on the sole with potentially the flame still burning. Flat is where it is at. Get a regular coleman stove and undo the bottles when not in use. Bigger surface area to cook on, multiple burners, and you wont set your feet on fire when Bristle rolls by.

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