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bigelowp
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Initially Posted - 07/12/2009 :  08:03:45  Show Profile
I was looking over the archived posts on the subject of what the PHRF is for the 25. As I understand it the magic number is 222. What I did not find was any "official" numbers for variations of the boat. Are all three keel configurations rated the same? What, if any, difference does having the CD Direct "balanced" rudder make to the PHRF? It sure appears that their has been excellent banter regarding the theoretical differences each should have on the PHRF but is there an official listing/calculation so if I were to race the boat I could have "the" official PHRF?
Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/12/2009 :  08:21:19  Show Profile
It tends to be a local/regional thing... Here's [url="http://offshore.ussailing.org/Assets/Offshore/PHRF/High+Low+Mean+PHRF+Handicaps.pdf"]US Sailing's aggregation of ratings[/url] around the country (high/low/average). It will at least give you an idea of how the different C-25s compare to each other. I'd venture to say if your boat meets the association's class rules, it should get the "standard" PHRF rating--whatever that is in your area. If you've added a cabin-top traveler with mid-boom sheeting, for example, then you might get some seconds deducted.
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/12/2009 :  09:12:15  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
round here the standard rig is 228, the tall rig 222. There is no penalty for the balanced rudder or adjustable backstay.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/12/2009 :  10:45:18  Show Profile
In 2003, we switched from PHRF to Portsmouth, and have ratings for 4 different wind conditions. Consequently, a sample of our ratings for winds 4.1 - 12 mph, all non-spinnaker, are:
Catalina 25, 93.32
Capri 26, 95.28
Catalina 22, 96.30
O'day 25, shoal keel with CB, 98.26
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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 07/17/2009 :  11:06:00  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
PHRF ratings are based upon the presence of speed enhancing or detracting equipment on the boat. A roller furler detracts from speed and thus increases the rating - handicap. I haven't raced in a couple of years but I believe my PHRF rating went from 222 to 235 when I added a roller furler. A tall rig C25 is penalized over a standard rig - 222 vs. 228.

The balanced rudder is not a speed enhancing/detracting piece of equipment. It is a rudder improvement which enhances the handling charactorisitcs of the boat, not necessarily the speed of the boat. It is therefore not a consideration in PHRF handicapping.

Interestngly, the addition of a larger than standard leach on my main, which increased my light air speed significantly, has not changed my PHRF handicap. I would think the Portsmouth rating system would account for this because, as I understand the system, it is based on performance history in a given wind range. It may therefore a better indicator of potential speed of the boat. Our club experimented with both and finally settled on the PHRF system.
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