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steveo
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Initially Posted - 10/01/2009 :  18:41:53  Show Profile
I just bought a 25 swing with a new Tohatso 9.9 (still has the factory jacket on it) I was not able to find a 25 in Los Angeles area for a while. I have owned the 30 and 27 both with atomics. I bought it for 3k and it is immaculate. (no trailer) Anything that might help with the understanding of the 25 vs the 27?
Thanks for any advice.

Steve

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 10/01/2009 :  19:03:52  Show Profile
From what I have heard and read, the 25 and 27 are essentially the same, but you need to be familiar with the annual inspection and periodic maintenance that the swinger requires. 1. Inspect the lifting cable and attachment point on the keel - if it doesn't have the Catalina Direct style attachment, change it. Replace the cable every 2 -3 years in saltwater and 4 - 5 in fresh, some suggest 2 years everywhere. 2. Check the pivot assembly for snugness. If the keel "klunks" while sailing, drop it or have it dropped to check for wear on the pivot pin and its hole through the keel. 3. Keep the iron keel barrier coated and touch it up every year.
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 10/01/2009 :  20:51:09  Show Profile
That's quite a buy since the new Tohatsu sells for around $2k by itself. There must be a story there. Congratulations, you'll find a lot of information here. Spend some time browsing the forums.
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/01/2009 :  23:55:59  Show Profile
In many respects, you'll like the C25 much better than the C27. The outboard powered C25 will certainly sail better and faster than the inboard C27 that is dragging its prop in the water. The C25 has a longer waterline and weighs less than the C27, which also helps its performance. With it's pop top, however, the C25 isn't as seaworthy as the C27. I believe the V berth is slightly longer in the C25.
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steveo
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Response Posted - 10/02/2009 :  03:15:25  Show Profile
Excellent information. Thank-you!
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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 10/02/2009 :  07:29:48  Show Profile
Steve - welcome to the Forum. I am a newbie as well - just a few weeks left in my season here on the East Coast. I've been avoiding a trip to LA, but now I may have to reconsider!

I'll second the recommendation on the swing keel lifting mechanism maintenance and don't forget about the hose that the cable passes through. Catalina direct makes a good replacement kit with everything you need.
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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 10/02/2009 :  07:30:34  Show Profile
Steve - welcome to the Forum. I am a newbie as well - just a few weeks left in my season here on the East Coast. I've been avoiding a trip to LA, but now I may have to reconsider!

I'll second the recommendation on the swing keel lifting mechanism maintenance and don't forget about the hose that the cable passes through. Catalina direct makes a good replacement kit with everything you need.
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ruachwrights
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Response Posted - 10/02/2009 :  13:55:19  Show Profile  Visit ruachwrights's Homepage
Welcome Steveo and Pfduffy. This has been my first true season with a 25 footer and we had a great year. Season is just too short!!!
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KiteKraemer
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Response Posted - 10/02/2009 :  16:39:46  Show Profile  Visit KiteKraemer's Homepage
Welome my sailing buddy! Well, not to dissapoint but the 25 swinger does terrible in big swell or waves- Like don't even try it. I have sailed mine in up to 40kts with 5+ feet of swell and boy howdy, not like a a 27 at all. The prop doesn't even touch the water somtimes in big swell. So, a rely on your sails in big seas. The motor, regardless of new or not, is only enough to get me in and out of the marina. We have a stretch of the columbia river near the bonneville dam that flows about 14kts, and with my motor full boar, we cant even make it. Just FYI, I do love my boat tho, and you will love yours too! Welcome!
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 10/02/2009 :  18:06:32  Show Profile
14 kts? That would be some rad kayak. Regardless of the reliability of that speed estimate, water flowing past the hull is the same as the hull moving through the water and the bow and stern waves that limit hull speed are still there. My experiences in steep 4 - 6' waves on Lake Erie weren't that bad - pretty rowdy, but manageable. The prop on my XLS motor would come out of the water occasionally, but motoring was a viable option. Forty kts of wind is way outside of reasonable parameters for light 25 and 27 footers - you can survive it, but you shouldn't look for it.
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steveo
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Response Posted - 10/02/2009 :  18:15:46  Show Profile
Thanks for really good info!!
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/02/2009 :  20:01:48  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by KiteKraemer</i>
<br />...We have a stretch of the columbia river near the bonneville dam that flows about 14kts, and with my motor full boar, we cant even make it...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I guess not! A 25' sailboat can't do better than about 6.3 knots through the water unless it can get up on plane--like a Mac 26M with a 50hp outboard. The C-27 will be no better--the waterline length is shorter. If it's an inboard, it will have an advantage in big seas, but not in a river against a current.
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