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jaclasch
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Initially Posted - 02/25/2010 : 20:08:09

I found "Signs of the Times" in "Bayviews" quite interesting and admire Dan's resourcefulness.

http://www.bayviews.blogspot.com/

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 07:12:08

Very cool. Unfortunately, I'd be willing to bet a change in regs will be forthcoming.

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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 11:29:43

Is that implying that he set his own mooring in that cove? 'Round these parts, that'd be frowned on.

BTW, you can click the photo to see a nice enlargement, with two (?) bikes on the foredeck.

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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 12:01:19

You can also see the coiled razor wire on the fence in the right side background. I've only seen that around prisons and sensitive military installations. Wonder what's over there?

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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 14:17:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 You can also see the coiled razor wire on the fence in the right side background. I've only seen that around prisons and sensitive military installations. Wonder what's over there?
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John, naw, I think one side is optional clothing and other is not!

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islander
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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 14:46:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Wonder what's over there?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 20:09:25

Hi, I'm Herb I wrote the piece on Dan Mulvahill's defiance of being broke. To answer a few general questions, we are in a bay that has some of the few protected waters of our 50 plus mile long lake. Seven marinas exist here with the Bitter End being an all sailboat marina. I know Dan and he's a bit rough around the edges. Definitely not your stereotype rich guy on a yacht. But as one remark put it, More power to him.

I have researched the rules here and have been told that If you have current registration, and If you display an anchor light, and If you are not blocking a waterway or channel, it is perfectly legal to anchor out, If you habitat the vessel regularly, and are not just storing in over public water. Remember, this is an inland lake, albeit a very large one. Rules that apply in salt water may or may not apply here.

Welcome aboard Bayviews.blogspot.com. We will keep you informed about any and all marine matters as they apply to our area. I have been asked to write about this situation for the Spokesman-Review, so there will be a forthcoming article.

Here in Bayview, it was a quiet inexpensive place to boat from for many years. In the 15 years I've lived here, sail boaters, fishermen and the occasional speed boat traveled these waters. In the last five or so years, developers moved in, tripled the moorage fees and drove out most low and middle incomer boaters, hoping that the monied crowd would replace the old residents, some of which have been here since the 1800's. Family, not personally. The recession has dampened this whole thing down, but when and if that ends, stuff will change rapidly, as with Dan.

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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 20:11:37

The coiled wire, if you are referring to my article is the north boundry of a naval research base here in Bayview. They take their security seriously. At least until they hold open house when most anything goes.

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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 21:54:26

I'm not sure, but I believe you can be required to get permission to set a mooring almost anywhere. Most any lake, river, or stream is considered "navigable water," and all navigable waters of the US are governed by either the states or the federal government. You can't place or erect anything in navigable waters without obtaining permission from the governmental subdivision that controls it. That being said, I imagine some moorings are placed without permission either because nobody in authority knows about it, or because it isn't a problem, so they don't make an issue of it.

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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 22:17:00

In Idaho, it is the department of lands, that owns all lake beds. It is conceivable that new regularions could occur. The sinking of a blivet could come under their jurisdiction. I will investigate further and report back on my blog.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 04:54:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 I'm not sure, but I believe you can be required to get permission to set a mooring almost anywhere. Most any lake, river, or stream is considered "navigable water," and all navigable waters of the US are governed by either the states or the federal government. You can't place or erect anything in navigable waters without obtaining permission from the governmental subdivision that controls it. That being said, I imagine some moorings are placed without permission either because nobody in authority knows about it, or because it isn't a problem, so they don't make an issue of it.
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Hmmmm.... What constitutes a mooring? Does 4 hooks down attached to a swivel and a float count? Sounds like more of a storm hook to me. There is a great book - out of print called "Your Right To Anchor" which details international maritime law and the rules pertaining to anchoring for vessels in transit. That's where it gets cloudy yet once again. How long before the law does not consider you a vessel in transit? Florida finally gave up the 24 hour anchoring laws which were in violation of Maritime Law, but only after a bunch of folks prevailed in court.

Now them derelict boats - me likey not so much.

sten

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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 11:03:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Hmmmm.... What constitutes a mooring? Does 4 hooks down attached to a swivel and a float count? Sounds like more of a storm hook to me...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The blog says, "...tethered to a buoy which is anchored to the bottom." I'd say that's the definition of a mooring--the "buoy" being a standard mooring ball. If the ball and anchor stay when/if his boat leaves (to go sailing

), then it's a mooring, which I would presume is under the jurisdiction of the authorities for that lake or bay. If it's cool with them, then it's cool.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 11:17:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bayviewherb
 The coiled wire, if you are referring to my article is the north boundry of a naval research base here in Bayview. They take their security seriously. At least until they hold open house when most anything goes.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thought so. They'd never put a prison there.

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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 20:56:10

I just uploaded a close-up picture of the aforementioned sailboat. I'm hard pressed to ex[lain the bikes, since one would have to pedal very hard to stay on top while biking on the water. If someone develops a bike that can swim I'm all for them The "lake Lice," as we out west call personal water craft, are way too obnoxious. You can see the picture on bayviews.blogspot.com.

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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 21:04:48

Herb... Thanks for jumping it. So, did you google us?

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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 21:05:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Herb... Thanks for jumping it. So, did you google your blog to find us?
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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 22:19:35

No, Dave, I didn't google you. What I did do however, was when I started getting way more hits than usual on my blog, I went to my sitemeter. ((available to all at the bottom of each page.) If you click on that, it gives much information as to the visitors, with the exception of personal e-mail addresses. I saw where the forum was regularly showing up and clicked on that site, where you all appeared. I'm kinda wondering though, how the guy in the travel trailer with the confederate flag fits into yachting.

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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 22:29:50

I am kind of the citizen voice of North Idaho as I write columns for the Spokesman-Review, of Spokane, Washington, and write as a contributor to: spokesman.com/blogs/hbo, which is where I think one of your number picked up on the topic and the rest is history. I am tickled that all of you have taken an interest in the adventures we experience here in Bayview, Idaho. Our lake, Lake Pend Oreille, is about fifty five miles long and is trecherous during storms, as it lies mostly north and south, until the north end where it takes on the appearance of the head of a hammer, running east and perhaps we could set up an inland cruise tradeoff or something for those of you that are actually interested in Mountains and such. Moutains with rocks in them, not water.Herb

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Response Posted - 02/28/2010 : 09:51:33

Herb, I believe your lake is home to at least one long-time (maybe original) member here--Bill Holcomb on the C-25 Snickerdoodle. He's posted some great stories over the years about plying your waters, including some about dealing with the weather.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/28/2010 : 10:13:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Florida finally gave up the 24 hour anchoring laws which were in violation of Maritime Law, but only after a bunch of folks prevailed in court.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Actually, it was the Florida legislature that passed a waterfront and water access law that superseded the plethora of local restrictive ordinances that allowed the boaters to prevail in court and ensure freedom of navigation. It was an unusually strong move for politicians to support public rights over the wealthy's demand for a private ocean view. The local efforts arose after the federal government abandoned its responsibility by establishing a rule that deferred management of federal navigable waters to states and political subdivisions.

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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 02/28/2010 : 18:48:30

I don't know him personally, but I confirmed that Bill Holcomb and Snickerdoodle are firmly moored at the Bitter End Marina, just about 150 feet from me.

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Response Posted - 02/28/2010 : 20:45:30

I will make the assertion, although never having met Bill face-to-face, that you would enjoy and benefit from meeting him. I wish I could! (The web creates some wonderous and mysterious connections!)

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Response Posted - 03/01/2010 : 10:08:37

Someday there may be a remarkable table of old C 25 codgers at the crab shack in the sky. If I make it I will be the one eating pizza.

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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 04/05/2010 : 15:26:29

Well, now the Idaho Attorney General is after poor Dan to move his boat. More on this later.

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bayviewherb
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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 19:09:05

Dan, the ever resourceful one, has his boat tied up at a marina that's out of business. He'll be OK until around the first of the year when a new owner takes ove.

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