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Nautiduck
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Initially Posted - 02/26/2010 : 19:52:37

Jared (Oregonworld) has found a 2007 C250 Wing Keel for sale. It looks to be in very good shape and has a good price due to it being a repo from the bank.

It does have some keel damage that appears to be from contact with the trailer. Jared is wondering how severe the damage looks and whether it would be costly to repair. Here are a couple of photos he sent me. What do you all think?

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 02/26/2010 : 21:02:30

We have similar damage on SL, just not as extensive. It's a fiberglass encased lead keel, I'd think it'd be a reasonably easy fix. I'd certainly knock down the price, that's a pretty good chunk out of it.

I plan to wrap my uprights in PVC pipe this winter to avoid this type of damage.

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oregonworld
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 10:01:20

Thanks for putting this up Randy!

With this type of damage would it likely cause structural damage? How much to replace a keel and would I really need or want to?

Jared

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 11:56:48

I doubt you'll need to replace the keel. If you did, I'd be running, not walking, away from that boat! But, I'd certainly have a surveyor take a very close look at the keel attachments points. The "belt and suspenders" approach might include marrying new keel bolts between the existing ones. But, the lead keel would absorb a fair amaount of energy before putting excess strain on the keel bolts. I don't think there's that much lead missing. Since it's on the trailing edge, I think simply filling and fairing would fix the problem. "Bondo" comes to mind but there must be a more expensive "Marine" solution. If I had this boat surveyed and it passed, I'd buy it in a NY minute. Notice that it has no registration numbers. Has it actually ever been wet?

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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 12:15:38

I'd see if you could get a surveyor to just check out the keel--not do a full survey--for a modest gratuity (like a crisp hundred dollar bill). I'm wondering more about the vertical crack in the trailing edge than the chunk out of the wing. Also the keel bolts and stub. Otherwise, I gather the boat is unused--a damaged leftover that some dealer couldn't sell before he went belly-up.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 13:29:55

Jared, I doubt there is structural damage. If you can go see the boat then I would look closely where the keel meets the hull. If there is a possibility of structural damage then there would be some cracking around that area where the keel and hull meet. I'm guessing that the keel hit the back vertical trailer support. I put PVC pipe around my supports to avoid just that. If you can get a surveyor to the boat to look at the keel that would make you more at ease.

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islander
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 14:05:56

If you look at the first photo, the 2nd upright support from the front appears to be disconnected from the board and is leaning in. I wonder if this is what caused the damage. If it is at least you will know that this damage was caused by a bad launch attempt and not something more traumatic. I would look at the trailer for scratched galvanizing etc. to verify. Looks to be a good bargaining chip as long as its just cosmetic and there are no cracks where the keel meets the hull and where the wing meets the keel.

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oregonworld
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Response Posted - 02/27/2010 : 14:19:31

Thanks guys. I am probably going to take a look at it and perhaps put an offer on it.

I'll have a surveyor check out the keel are for sure.

Best,

Jared

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SEAN
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Response Posted - 02/28/2010 : 19:09:13

I have a 2002 trailrite trailer and that one looks a little different ..

sure does look like a bad launch though ..maybe a boat drove by and left a wake ..

I would call that a do it yourself repair ..if your up for it ..

the mast is on the boat ? and not on the the support/rasing thing..

maybe the anchor got caught around the keal and he pulled it up anyway with the winch

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moserd
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Response Posted - 03/02/2010 : 11:10:17

I had damage to my wing keel when the boat was delivered new (2005) due to an improperly 'set-up' trailer. As delivered the trailer did not have keel guides and the wing contacted a vertical upright causing damage. The damaged spot was much smaller than what your pictures show and this damage was repaired by 'trimming' the other side to match and sealing / encasing with fiberglass cloth and resin. The repair was in 2006 and I have not had any problems with the keel since. I suspect that many boats are delivered without the keel guide extensions that I eventually was provided with by the trailer company. I have mixed feelings about the keel guides though, if the water is 'too' deep in launch I suspect the wing may 'catch'... Always something to worry about eh?

Don

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Capt.Dave
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Response Posted - 03/10/2010 : 09:00:50

Wow! On Feb 27th I went to the lot where this boat was at in the city of Stanton. I made an offer on it and the bank accepted it instantly, which shocked me. On March 1st I went down with a cashiers check in hand pending only a sea trial, and we couldn't launch it. I backed out as I was concerned about just being able to launch it. After doing more research via an engineer at Catalina Yachts and submitting the hull number it was reported that the trailer was not sold with the boat from the factory. In regards to the keel damage it was clear that this occurred at launch or retrieval time. It was quite severe as it bent the steel keel guide. I did not see any cracking where the keel meets the hull, but did find chip fragments around the keel bolts, not sure if it's related. The boat was purchased in Georgia and the trailer had Colorado plates. There was no sign the boat was even registered as I found no evidence of CF numbers. A survey would be a prudent idea but it appears to me it's not structural. My concern was the trailer and launching the boat. Jared, feel free to e-mail me if you have any further questions.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 : 06:50:01

On our C-25 we hit bottom in G-Bay. Insurance is covering the cost of the repair. New FG encapsulation, fairing, & bottom paint Only damage was to the keel - nothing structural, and the keel bolts are fine.

Cost to Insurance as quoted by the Yard is $5500. Cost of a DIY repair would be about $500 - 700.

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